Strange Terraforming Undo
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Rock Vacirca
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06-04-2009 08:02
Hi,
I recently (privately) bought/rented a Homestead sim for a new project. The owner uploaded my raw terrain file for me, made me Estate Manager, and left me to get on with things.
The terrain is a group of low-lying islands, and I modified the terrain by removing one of the islands using the Edit Terrain tools.
I then built an underwater grotto on that spot, and later went to bed. The next day I found that all of my underwater grotto had been returned to me, because they had 'gone off world'. When I investigated I found that all my terrain modifications had been undone and the island had reappeared, forcing all of my grotto underground, and thus they were all returned for being 'off-world', I noted the precise time that this happened.
Now the strange thing is, only the owner can do things like reload a terrain file, or bake a terrain and recall the bake, but my owner was not online at the noted time, had not done any terrain reloading or bake recall at any time, and was just as perplexed as me.
Does anyone have any other ideas as to how this could have happened?
Rock
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Dekka Raymaker
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06-04-2009 08:09
maintenance, a roll back, a linden didn't like your grotto?
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Benski Trenkins
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06-04-2009 08:12
If the land options says anyone can terraform, then anyone can return the island to it's last known baked state. Make sure than in "about land" under the "options" tab, the terraforming is unchecked. Otherwise any resident can terraform and therefor undo the changes using the terraform tools. Secondly, when you are done with all the painstaking terraforming and are happy with your result, ask the owner to bake the terrain for you, that makes the current situation the default, and any undo will mean returning to this default. Good luck
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Ian Nider
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06-04-2009 08:33
I've had stuff go off world before, I was 5000 meters up and trying to rezz mega prims...
I think it means you reached the end of the SL universe.
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Benski Trenkins
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06-04-2009 08:42
From: Ian Nider I've had stuff go off world before, I was 5000 meters up and trying to rezz mega prims... I think it means you reached the end of the SL universe. Maximum build height is actually 4096 meters
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Rock Vacirca
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06-04-2009 08:43
From: Benski Trenkins If the land options says anyone can terraform, then anyone can return the island to it's last known baked state. Make sure than in "about land" under the "options" tab, the terraforming is unchecked. Otherwise any resident can terraform and therefor undo the changes using the terraform tools. Secondly, when you are done with all the painstaking terraforming and are happy with your result, ask the owner to bake the terrain for you, that makes the current situation the default, and any undo will mean returning to this default. Good luck I should have added that I thought this might have happened, but the owner assured me that she uploaded my terrain file, and never thought about baking it after uploading. So, if someone does use the terraform tools to revert the land to the last baked state, will that 'actually' be to the last baked state, or does uploading a new raw file also bake the terrain at the same time? Rock
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Ava Velde
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Join date: 17 Jan 2009
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06-04-2009 08:45
From: Rock Vacirca Hi, I recently (privately) bought/rented a Homestead sim for a new project. The owner uploaded my raw terrain file for me, made me Estate Manager, and left me to get on with things. The terrain is a group of low-lying islands, and I modified the terrain by removing one of the islands using the Edit Terrain tools. I then built an underwater grotto on that spot, and later went to bed. The next day I found that all of my underwater grotto had been returned to me, because they had 'gone off world'. When I investigated I found that all my terrain modifications had been undone and the island had reappeared, forcing all of my grotto underground, and thus they were all returned for being 'off-world', I noted the precise time that this happened. Now the strange thing is, only the owner can do things like reload a terrain file, or bake a terrain and recall the bake, but my owner was not online at the noted time, had not done any terrain reloading or bake recall at any time, and was just as perplexed as me. Does anyone have any other ideas as to how this could have happened? Rock I can understand what you mean. If the terrain ground goes over the prims - those prims will be returned into your inventory. So be carefully when you are working on your terrain. Note: There is also a griefer tools people give away for free. When you reez this free "present" the script makes the ground rise up much higher which cause all the prims to return to your inventory. Feel this horror? Especially for SIM owners with business  Lindens should find a way to fix this asap. Its right that only the SIM owner can upload the *RAW files to server(SIM). Estate managers can't do it. So you would need to wait until your owner returns.
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Benski Trenkins
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06-04-2009 08:49
From: Rock Vacirca I should have added that I thought this might have happened, but the owner assured me that she uploaded my terrain file, and never thought about baking it after uploading. So, if someone does use the terraform tools to revert the land to the last baked state, will that 'actually' be to the last baked state, or does uploading a new raw file also bake the terrain at the same time? Rock Yes uploading a raw makes that the current baked state. As I understand, he uploaded a Raw for u, then you removed one of the islands and that island is now back, right? What for him as owner is easy to do, when you done editing: he can click "bake terrain" and make that state the default. He can even choose to download RAW and send it to you. So when you move, you can ask the new estate owner to upload that file and you have your work back.
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Ava Velde
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06-04-2009 08:50
From: Rock Vacirca , or does uploading a new raw file also bake the terrain at the same time? Rock After the raw file is complete uploaded the new SIM design should be seen. If you like the look..... you need to save (bake) the present design. So, no, uploading is not the same as baking - guessed 
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Benski Trenkins
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06-04-2009 08:57
From: Ava Velde After the raw file is complete uploaded the new SIM design should be seen. If you like the look..... you need to save (bake) the present design. So, no, uploading is not the same as baking - guessed  Oops my bad, you're right. I never saved after uploading, and never saw things be undone beyond the last upload. I might be wrong, but I heard as far as that 'griefer' thing that terraforms goes, if you block terraforming on estate level, it cannot do anything.
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Ava Velde
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06-04-2009 09:05
From: Benski Trenkins Oops my bad, you're right. I never saved after uploading, and never saw things be undone beyond the last upload. I might be wrong, but I heard as far as that 'griefer' thing that terraforms goes, if you block terraforming on estate level, it cannot do anything. As server settings change frequently because of security and performance I was looking for news about *raw/terrain files inside SL Wik. The Wiki manual does't tell you to "bake" the terrain. Just close the download window and its done - G U E S S E D https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417Would like to see that - presently don't have any SIM 
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Benski Trenkins
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06-04-2009 11:31
From: Ava Velde As server settings change frequently because of security and performance I was looking for news about *raw/terrain files inside SL Wik. The Wiki manual does't tell you to "bake" the terrain. Just close the download window and its done - G U E S S E D https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417 Would like to see that - presently don't have any SIM  you mean like to see a terrain change when uploading a RAW?
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Ava Velde
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06-04-2009 12:29
From: Benski Trenkins you mean like to see a terrain change when uploading a RAW? Nope. I do know how it looks when you upload a raw file. The question is, if you need to make anything else after the download/upload progress is done. The Knowledge was updated last time in February: See Topic #: 4051-6349 Date Created: 2/6/2009 Modified: 2/6/2009 Thema: How do I backup & restore private region terrain? -
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