Can a group owner eject another group owner?

Can a group owner eject another group owner?

Someone asked this in a group chat.

nope they have to leave

I read in a thread the other day that No, they cannot.

The consensus was you better be sure of who you grant owner status to.

The only way to have an owner removed from a group is to submit a ticket to LL and make a request, giving valid reasons why this should be done. There are no guarantees they will do as you ask however.

***The only person who has the right to make that request is the founder of the group.

~B

I never grant Owner status to anyone by my own alt. And sometimes I'm not to sure about her....

It is possible, by a convoluted route, if they are the only other group owner.

But to do it you have to eject all other members and leave yourself... if noone else joins the group, the group will die with only one member, and then you can recreate the group......

Sorry it is a not a very useful/practical suggestion, just possible....

When you add an owner to a group, a message pops up and tells you that you can't eject or change the role of another owner. It gives you the chance to change your mind.

There are no distinctions between the group creator and the other owners.

It's wiser to simply create a role and turn on all the boxes, allowing the other person to do everything except add owners. The only difference is that they won't appear as owners in the group list. You can make their role name "co-owner" or something, so people could know of their status.

Eject from Group, No.

Eject and ban from Group owned land, Yes.

But if the person banned can see the land they can edit the ban list to take their name off of it. Not sure what would happen if banned from a private sim.

A group founder can do anything they want. They can leave the group all together and come back 16 months later and be re-instated, and then have the Lindens remove all other owners. There is no recourse at all.

This was an official response from the Lindens, as it has just happened to me.

" is the founder of the group "xxxxx", and as such has the right to be re-instated as the group's owner at any time. The role of Founder can't be changed, transferred, sold or otherwise removed. If you pay the L$100 to found a group, it is always yours, no matter who you may choose to share ownership with or if you leave it temporarily

"but as the Founder always has rights in the group, including to request other owners be demoted or removed from the group"

Wow! That is shocking. Is that in an official document that we can see online somewhere, or how did they tell you that?

You'll find it in Chapter 13 of the Official Linden Lab Resident Policy Guide.

That's the chapter that immediately follows the well-dog-eared "Chapter 12: Approved Gaming Devices", and just before "Chapter 14: How traffic numbers are computed."

It is written in code though, so you will also have to get the official Linden De-Coder Ring.

I hesitate to even mention this as someone is likely to try it, but is it possible for one group owner to form a new group, transfer all group assets to the new group and effectively shut out the other group owner, leaving him or her with an empty shell of a group?

This would be tough with social groups because you would have the members to worry about, but with groups formed just to own land, it would work pretty well (other than the animosity and hatred it would cause).

The group function isn't really designed to meaningfully allow more than one owner. I'm a little bit surprised to see so many businesses operating by groups with multiple owners.

Problem is that there is no way to enforce a partnership agreement between multiple owners.

I'd imagine a lot of SL partnerships experience breakups that resemble some real-world divorces. The person who makes life in the house most miserable wins the house.

Thanks for the input.

If true, this has to be done by requesting LL (either that, or the notice you get when you promote someone to owner is incorrect -- I haven't tried removing another owner).

Now you're thinking like a corporate lawyer.

Funny. I wonder what would have prompted me to think like one of those cockroaches?

The info about the group founder is good info. Something I didn't know.

So really, the founder is the true one owner of the group, since the founder is the only one who can have group rights enforced against everyone else. And Linden Lab actually backs up the founder's rights to the group. Structurally, there is only one true owner.

That means that if someone sells their business and group, they could take the money, then get LL to give them back the group and the land. That's a little scary.

well it would be smart to kill the old group and inform the members of the new group in a case like that..
if they see a transaction it may work as they sold their rights to the group also.

I'm not sure about the founder being able to kick other owners out of the group... there are several instances of large clubs being sold, along with the groups... I don't think the original founder could just come back and reclaim the group later if the club were sold. The group really can be the heart of any business, and just kicking out all the old members and forming a new one is no easy task.

I sweated bricks when I temporarily had sold my club and through convoluted means, it ended up in the hands of a real newbie. I didn't care about the land, I didn't care about the building or its objects, I cared about the *group* and paid a pretty penny to get the newbie owner to sell it all back to me (including reinstating me as the owner).

I had worked for a club that made 5 different versions of the club over the past 1 1/2 years..
each time we would inform the groups that the older clubs group would be dissolved and replaced with new groups for the new version of the club..the old sim would be closed for future builds and without skipping a beat the new club would be just as packed if not more..

I think if you kill the old group in haste you will lose members but informing them of the change about to take place you will only lose those that have lost interest already..

You have to make the request through the Lindens, and be the Founder.