How do you allocate estate land prims?

I can't find the answer to this. I own the estate, and rent the homes on it. I've divided up the parcels so that tenants can have their own media. Can I allocate a maximum prim limit on the parcels without selling them? Thanks -- Avion

not possible unless each land plot is deeded to a different group

rental 1 - group
rental 2 - group
rental 3 - group
etc

you could do it with an alt so your main doesn`t run out of groups

Nope, you just need to let them know what their limit is, ask them to stay within it and check occasionally to see that they have not gone over.

That's what I already do. I've also taught everyone how to check their own prims. But if it could be automated, then the system would just refuse that last 39-prim coffee table, instead of making me have to come in and make them remove it after they've already put their 45-prim flower vase on it and shown it off to all their visitors.

So once I deed to the group, then what? Where does it give me the choice to allocate the prim number?

Thanks! --Avion

it never does, but having it deeded to different groups, it act`s as seperated land plots only with group roles you allow compared to have tenants own the land

I live on a parcel on private estate and each divided parcel has a set amount of prims that we can use. We can also check to make sure what our limit is. I've read in the Entreprenurial book or maybe the official guide that this is something you can do. I'm sorry I don't have either in front of me, but I would be more than happy to take a look when I get home and let you know. Should be about 30 or 40 mins, unless someone can give you the answer before hand.

You can allocate the prim numbers by division of the parcels. If you want them to have 117 prims, divide it into 512 m^2 etc.

You could also tell your tenants that they can use their own group, and make you temporarily an officer in the group, long enough to deed the land, and then leave the group again. This way you will not be called every time they don't have enough prims, or someone else rezzes something on their land that they don't want. If there is a problem after you have left the group that can only be remedied by the estate owner, you can temporarily reclaim the land, fix the problem for them, and then repeat the deed process.

Ok, so I found it, but it doesn't give me full details on how. You can allocate prims on subdivided parcels- it is in the edit terrain tools area. You might have to search around, I'm not a sim owner and am only giving this advice from my research. The way the estate owners did for us on their sims is perfect because we are able to control our prims. I can look to see how many of my alotted prims I've used, how many I have left and so on. I highly recommend setting specific prims per parcel, not only is it better for the sim IMHO but as a resident, I like knowing that I have a limit and being able to track it myself.

that is not restricting the prim limit, that is being told how many prims you have and the ability to look at the land objects to see how many you have used, you can still rez as many prims as you want on the parcel(total land owned by the person/group in the region) has left free

the only way to restrict prim count is to have the land seperated from the rest of the land by different ownership of each plot

Prims are automatically allocated when you divide land. If you set your region object bonus factor to 1.00 then each 512 plot will have 117 prims allocated to it. If you then set the land for sale your tenants can buy it for whatever amount and their prim usage and limit for that plot will be easily viewable in the about land objects tab. They can then set or deed their plot to their own group.

yes, but the question was to have the same limit as you have with ownership transfer but without, restricting the land prim use per parcel to the amount wanted while it`s still all under the ownership of 1 person/group

wich can not be done

My rental box system keeps track of the prims each person uses.. I'll know for sure if I ever rent something.

"G"

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to sell the land to the other person if you own the estate. I can understand the pure rental as a business model, but if you wanted to go that way, you could still sell the land to the renter for $0 after they make the first payment or originally set the land for sale equal to the first payment. If they stop paying their rent, you can always reclaim the land, and if you disallow resale, they can't sell it to somebody else. This would allow the renter to accurately track their prims and keep them from rezzing extras.

Is there a reason not to do it this way? I'd really like to know, because I'm getting an island soon.

I use the Hipporent box on my plot and you can set that so it shows how many prims are used as hovertext, and I think there is an option to auto-return items once they go over the limit. You need to juggle the numbers a bit but that might work, ie, set it to ignore your prims and only count what you have allocated to them.

I haven't tried it myself, but if you have lots of boxes you can rez a server thingy which keeps track of all your boxes via a webpage. I am sure that must show prim count, so you could see at a glance who's got what. Like I said, haven't tried it myself, as I've only got the one plot and the tenants use all the prims anyway.

Joss

1 big reason is that if you provide homes, a tenant could return it and you endup doing everything again

i`d go for creating an alt and have it own individual land plot groups so tenants get some control but nothing that would endup as a time sink when they buggerup

I had thought of the tenant returning my prims at one point. I figured that I'd lock any buildings that I provided and maybe put a maintenance fee notice in the covenant if they returned locked items (maybe only for repeat offenders). I don't know how well that would work, but I may give it a shot.

locking won`t matter much as they will have full land control and bound to happen

making and deeding a couple of groups is faster then an ongoin headache with replacing everything

What I do is divide the land up into various sizes. As I rent each island I set the land to the renters group giving them all rights to their land. I then leave the group.
Simple, fast and easy and they have their correct amt of prims. Hope this help you~

The size of the land that you allocate to given renter (or rental group) determines the number of prims they are allowed to use. The formula is: sqm of land, divide by 65536, multiply by 15000, and round down. Or for a prim count, take the number of prims you want to give them, divide by 15000, mulitiply by 65536, and round down and that's the number of sqm you need to give them. Note that if the division does not go evenly (as the vast majority of the time it won't) then at least one prim on your sim is being lost entirely to the math error - not a huge problem normally, but it can be worth remembering.

As the sim owner, if you want to give someone more prims than their land area would normally entitle them to, there are two ways of doing it. Number one is to open Estate Tools and adjust the Simulator Object Bonus. This increases the number of prims available on EVERY parcel on the sim by the proportion you specify. For example, with a 1.1 simulator object bonus, a 512sqm parcel can hold 128 prims (512 / 65535 * 15000 * 1.1) instead of 117. The only catch is that the sim can still only really hold 15000 prims - SL will start to give errors if the prim total exceeds this limit - and so you have to plan your sim accordingly. For example, if your sim is divided entirely into 512sqm parcels, you could normally have 128, but if you want to set a simulator object bonus of 1.1, you can have only 117 without running out of prims (because 128 - the number of prims from above - times 117 is 14976, but 118 * 128 is 15104, above the 15000 limit). So you need to have 117 plots divided by waterways or other zero-prim features.

Method number two, is to find a nice area of dividing water (or something else you don't need to put prims on), and sell that area to the buyer (or deed it to the group) as well, but set it No Build. Because of the rule that your total prims are calculated on a sim-by-sim basis, this extra empty parcel will give the tenant extra prims on their actual useful land.

Thank you for setting me straight. Sorry, I appreciate the info though, I hate being the one to spread incorrect information. I'm desperately trying to learn some of this stuff too and this was something I though I understood but didn't!

Hey Avion, my vase is only two prims! We won't talk about the aquarium, lol.

Ha! Folsom, You're the least primmy of all my tenants -- I'm so proud of you.

Thanks for all the good information, everyone.

All of my properties are planned communites. The terraforming, sidewalks, landscaping, and residences are all part of the plan. So I really don't want to sell the land, or cut the parcels into overly large ones in order to re-allocate the prims that way. I'm just going to use the hippo boxes and notify when tenants go over their limits, like I always have.

Unlike the mainland properties, Patria is going to be mostly individual parcels instead of hi-rises, so I thought it would be nice to have automated prim limits.

Land owners should be able to set a prim limit on any land parcel, estate or mainland. I think it might be worth a JIRA.

I would vote for that, 10x if I could!!

And it would be great if you could check script usage by parcel instead of just sim-wide.