Preferred parcel size as related to tier
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Ava Glasgow
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11-11-2007 21:37
Question: Do mainland buyers prefer parcels that will use up all their available tier, including the 512 that comes with premium membership? Or do they prefer parcels that directly correspond to tier levels, ignoring or forgetting the additional 512.
Clarification: As I look through the land sales, I see lots of parcels that directly correspond to tier levels... 2048, 4096, 8192, and so on.
But these are the tier levels WITHOUT the free 512 that comes with every premium membership. In other words, a person who owns just one of those parcels would not be using all the tier they are paying for.
I looked for parcels that are the tier sizes PLUS the free 512 -- 2560, 4608, 8704 -- and although they exist, there are far fewer of them.
So it would seem that people subdividing large plots are aiming for the tier levels, without consideration for the free 512. What I'm wondering is whether that is a miscalculation on the part of the seller, or just a more convenient way to subdivide, OR do they do it because that is what sells better, meaning the buyers themselves prefer (either purposely or through ignorance) parcels that do not fully utilize their tier?
Who can answer this? I'm interested in hearing both from END-USER buyers, about what they look for in a parcel they plan to use, and from land dealers who are willing to talk about what sells best in their experience.
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Raymond Figtree
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11-11-2007 21:46
Odd size parcels don't sell as well as multiples of 512.
The multiples just give you more options should you decide to divide later. 512s are by far the fastest selling size, so it's always nice that you can go to that if you have to (even though it increases your risk of an adcutter buying it, hence the invention of the Arbor Project ban list).
CLARIFICATION: You make a great observation. It's a miscalculation for both the buyer and the seller. But many people want and have more than one plot of land.
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Anti Antonelli
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11-11-2007 22:10
I specifically looked for, and bought, first a 2560 then my current 4608. That was over a year ago though, and my impression was that there were plenty to choose from (albeit not nearly as many as there were 2048s and 4096s).
I always put it off to people being uninformed. Not that I'm some font of real estate wisdom, but it can take a bit of effort for casual residents to find out that yes, they are entitled to 512 tier-free, and yes, it can be rolled into a standard tier level to make one larger plot, and no, the comings and goings of the First Land program didn't change these facts, etc etc.
Disclosure: I'm a content creator/end user with a little shop on my mainland parcel with no experience selling land beyond selling old parcels as I tiered up and moved (one isolated instance of flipping a small fire-sale-priced Estate parcel aside).
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Ricky Yates
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Join date: 28 Jan 2007
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11-11-2007 22:31
Ava, that's a very valid observation. I think that may people forget about the free 512, because tier counting just plain confuses them. if more people know about the 10% bonus you'd get by forming a land owning group with an alt, you would see more parcels sized 562, 1126, 1690, ...
Also, it's a matter of convenience and "the way things are done around here" for the seller. I'm waiting for some other landbarons (besides The Hamster) to chime in here, but I'd expect that power-of-2-sized parcels sell much better than other sizes across the board.
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Okiphia Rayna
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11-11-2007 22:37
I went for my tier at first, bought a 2048m parcel to start with (Oddly shaped for cheapness... only one I've seen under 13500 ever lol)
After that I had an offer from a neighbour to buy 576m for 19 L$ (Holy crap!) because she couldn't sell it after a month or two.
I also bought an additional 512m before that, for the prims, a ways away from the main body of my property.
Since I had tiered up from these purchases, I figured I should try and fill my tier... my neighbours land (The rest of it) had just been bought by bots... I contacted the bot group owner to buy 1024m, he graciously accepted my offer ^^
After that and deeding to group, figured out that the rest of that parcel that was split turned into a parcel just 64m shy of my tier limit. So I split my land into two pieces, one being 64m exactly, off to the side a bit, and donated that to the Arbor Project (Much much better than any ad farmers getting it), and bought the rest of the previous neighbours land.
Now, with the group bonus I am approximately maxed on my tier, and it seems the prim limit is perfect for my intended build. I'm quite happy ^^ (5056m on a 4096m tier ^^)
oh, all mainland, I dont trust sland owners enough lol
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Raymond Figtree
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11-11-2007 22:50
From: Ricky Yates Ava, that's a very valid observation. I think that may people forget about the free 512, because tier counting just plain confuses them. if more people know about the 10% bonus you'd get by forming a land owning group with an alt, you would see more parcels sized 562, 1126, 1690, ...
Also, it's a matter of convenience and "the way things are done around here" for the seller. I'm waiting for some other landbarons (besides The Hamster) to chime in here, but I'd expect that power-of-2-sized parcels sell much better than other sizes across the board. The group land comment is another good observation. /hamster bows in respect. Fact is, most people end up carrying extra tier.
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Kathy Morellet
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11-11-2007 23:11
I spoke to a couple earlier that were looking to buy their first plot, both of them premium. They wanted to start modest and were talking about a 512 plot. I suggested that they form a group together and each donate their 512 freebie. So now they can purchase 1126 and not pay any tier at all.
For myself, I really don't pay that much attention to the size. I presently am carrying a bit more tier than I own and I tend to keep some tier available in case something opens up in my home sim (mainland).
But, when I am out looking at land, I do tend to think in terms of the 2048 or 4096 just because it is easier for me to remember the numbers. So, yes, in most cases I ignore the 512 that is sitting out there. Figure I already used it up so what's the point.
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Raymond Figtree
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11-11-2007 23:54
From: Kathy Morellet I spoke to a couple earlier that were looking to buy their first plot, both of them premium. They wanted to start modest and were talking about a 512 plot. I suggested that they form a group together and each donate their 512 freebie. So now they can purchase 1126 and not pay any tier at all. How fortunate of them to have you to give them such great advice. This should be publicized more because 1126 can be quite a nice starting plot. 512 does not give you much to play with, especially given the prim limit.
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Sling Trebuchet
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11-12-2007 00:50
From: Raymond Figtree How fortunate of them to have you to give them such great advice. This should be publicized more because 1126 can be quite a nice starting plot. 512 does not give you much to play with, especially given the prim limit. /me has nightmares of sims cut into horribly-shaped parcels, just waiting for someone to cut them back to 'standard' and releasing small ad-potential plots into the market in established clean sims.
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Jannae Karas
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11-12-2007 08:16
1536 is the best for value. $8 with your free 512. Lots of them in search, Usually a good price to get into one also.
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Sammy Thielt
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11-12-2007 08:47
From: Jannae Karas 1536 is the best for value. $8 with your free 512. Lots of them in search, Usually a good price to get into one also. ^ Yeah, that. If I ever had to sell my lovely sims, I would parcel them in that way. 1536m parcels, 32x48m, is just a nice shape and size for a home.
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Destiny Niles
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11-12-2007 08:52
With group land you get an extra 10% and I have been looking on and off for a reasonable priced parcel 256 size to use up the rest of my tier.
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Meade Paravane
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11-12-2007 08:52
As an end user, I think the first thing to figure out is what you want to build - this sorta tells you which tier you're at. You need so many m2 in some shape to hold what you want plus a bit since the prim count/m2 is never enough.
Once you've got that, you look for something that's _at least_ the right size & shape. Once you find/buy that, assuming you want all your holdings on one sim, you poke at your neighbors or Lindens (for abandoned parcels) to buy other land in the sim until you reach your tier limit. Land next to your main parcel is preferable but if you're out of prims, taking something that doesn't touch your main parcel is ok, too..
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Yumi Murakami
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11-12-2007 09:05
The big advantage of parcel sizes being powers of 2 is that it's much easier if you're buying multiple parcels.
If you're on the 2048 tier, for example, you can buy 2 1024's and a 512. If land sellers were commonly selling 1536's instead, then you could buy one of those, but then you would be stuck.
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Jannae Karas
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11-12-2007 09:58
From: Yumi Murakami The big advantage of parcel sizes being powers of 2 is that it's much easier if you're buying multiple parcels.
If you're on the 2048 tier, for example, you can buy 2 1024's and a 512. If land sellers were commonly selling 1536's instead, then you could buy one of those, but then you would be stuck. Still, for the avi who wants a nice home with minimal monthly tier, 1536 is hard to beat. Of course the $3 a month tier for a 1024 is attractive (includes the free 512), but property boundries and prims are a little tight. Just $5 a month more gives more than a months space for a nice homestead, and you can always up with a 1024 or 2 512's to get to the next magic number 2548. Usually lots of opportunities to get lots of those sizes on any average mainland sim.
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Yumi Murakami
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11-12-2007 10:35
From: Jannae Karas Just $5 a month more gives more than a months space for a nice homestead, and you can always up with a 1024 or 2 512's to get to the next magic number 2548. Usually lots of opportunities to get lots of those sizes on any average mainland sim. Sure. But you've essentially made my point for me - because land is sold in power-of-two units, like 1024s and 512s, it's easy to add them together. If land dealers were instead selling 1536s, 2560s, 4608s, etc.. then you wouldn't be able to add them anywhere near as easily.
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Jannae Karas
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11-12-2007 12:09
From: Yumi Murakami Sure. But you've essentially made my point for me - because land is sold in power-of-two units, like 1024s and 512s, it's easy to add them together. If land dealers were instead selling 1536s, 2560s, 4608s, etc.. then you wouldn't be able to add them anywhere near as easily. No argument from me Yumi. Use those 1024 and 512 combos to get the right size for you is the best way. 
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Ava Glasgow
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11-12-2007 18:38
Thanks for the input guys, it has been very helpful. 
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