Private Estate Rentals vs Purchase
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Stormy Dyrssen
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Join date: 21 Nov 2007
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08-27-2008 10:39
I'm just inquiring on what the difference is between the two in regards to land option controls. For those who provide rentals - do your renters have the parcel deeded to them like they would if they purchased and paid monthly tier to a private estate owner?
Please don't use this question to start a debate on "Nothing is actually owned when you live on someone elses private estate and everything is technically rented" I'm well aware of that, just doing a little research and I can't get in-world very often these days to hop around for proper first hand research.
** sorry in advanced if the Search button should be used for this question, the search function is kind of a scavenger hunt **
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Incanus Merlin
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Join date: 12 Apr 2007
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08-27-2008 11:14
For my part, we don't deed unless the tenant is leasing instead of renting, and even then certain things are turned off - terraforming being the main one. The reason for that is that our estate is designed to visually work together as a whole and I can do without Towerz of Lulz or Pitz of Dhoom ayethankyouverymuch.
That said, we're quite open to minor changes - most people want a beach rather than a cliff face if they're facing the sea; and if you REALLY want a dungeon under your house we can do that too..... And of course if you take an entire sim, we pretty much let you do what you want with it as long as it's in keeping with the Victorian theme (I had to disappoint someone the other day who wanted to rez their 120 metre powerboat to live on...) Inc
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Ciaran Laval
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Join date: 11 Mar 2007
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08-27-2008 11:20
I sell my private estate plots for one week's rent. It's a straight rental agreement but this gives the new tenant almost full control of the parcel as if they'd purchased it. They can deed it to their own group and use all their own controls.
Advantages of this system are that they don't have to wait for a group invite, they don't have to ask me about setting certain group permissions. The tenant can manage their plot more easily.
I love the way this works on private land.
Of course I have some override settings, I can block resell, terraforming etc.
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 5,250
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08-27-2008 11:25
Deeded every time, no questions asked. Land sale is shut off nationwide. Some regions have telehubs. Banline restrictions via covenant in place, as well as some thematic requirements. Everyone gets 100m terraforming. The population has proven that they can, by and large, be trusted not to do anything horrific. If anything, I've found that most people are scared to try terraforming unless they are already pretty good at it.
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Lexxi Gynoid
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Join date: 6 Aug 2007
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08-27-2008 11:27
From: Incanus Merlin For my part, we don't deed unless the tenant is leasing instead of renting, and even then certain things are turned off - terraforming being the main one. The reason for that is that our estate is designed to visually work together as a whole and I can do without Towerz of Lulz or Pitz of Dhoom ayethankyouverymuch.
That said, we're quite open to minor changes - most people want a beach rather than a cliff face if they're facing the sea; and if you REALLY want a dungeon under your house we can do that too..... And of course if you take an entire sim, we pretty much let you do what you want with it as long as it's in keeping with the Victorian theme (I had to disappoint someone the other day who wanted to rez their 120 metre powerboat to live on...) Inc I was bored and playing around the other day (month), and created a massive tower of land. I hurriedly made the land back to normal, but it was momentairly fun. Oh and no one else was in the sim when I did it.
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Stormy Dyrssen
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08-27-2008 11:28
Thank you all for your responses, I appreciate it! 
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Incanus Merlin
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Join date: 12 Apr 2007
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08-27-2008 11:34
From: Desmond Shang Deeded every time, no questions asked. Land sale is shut off nationwide. Some regions have telehubs. Banline restrictions via covenant in place, as well as some thematic requirements. Everyone gets 100m terraforming. The population has proven that they can, by and large, be trusted not to do anything horrific. If anything, I've found that most people are scared to try terraforming unless they are already pretty good at it. heh - I think you have yet to meet one or two of my residents, who salivate at the thought of ever getting their hands on the terraforming controls... the one time we allowed it ("yes of course I will ONLY work on my plot (exaggerated sigh), what kind of idiot do you think I am?" ... we had to re-upload the island's RAW file to put it all back together again. We laughed about it later..... Inc
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Lindal Kidd
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Join date: 26 Jun 2007
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08-27-2008 11:49
When I lived on an estate parcel in the FairChangs, the land was set to sale to me, and deeded to me on purchase. I paid rent monthly to the FairChangs through their custom ATM system. I had full rights, including terraforming +/- 6m, and could build whatever I wanted within the parameters of the covenant.
Now I live on the mainland, and rent out parcels on a mainland sim. As the overall parcel owner, I pay the monthly tier bill. In turn, I collect weekly rental payments from my tenants through a HippoRent system. Residents are allowed media rights and access privileges, but not terraforming. It's a themed build, and residents are renting for the convenience of NOT having to find or build a house. All they need is the furniture and personal customizing touches (and we can even supply those, if asked).
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
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08-27-2008 12:04
From: Incanus Merlin heh - I think you have yet to meet one or two of my residents, who salivate at the thought of ever getting their hands on the terraforming controls... the one time we allowed it ("yes of course I will ONLY work on my plot (exaggerated sigh), what kind of idiot do you think I am?" ... we had to re-upload the island's RAW file to put it all back together again. We laughed about it later..... Inc *goes to bake all his terrains*
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Dante Tucker
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Join date: 8 Aug 2006
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08-27-2008 12:42
There is no real risk of actually selling the land to your renters.
You can disable terraforming, land resell and subdividing.
So really, why not give your renters the full ownership they deserve? Reclaiming the land is as simple as one mouseclick.
This is how we run our sim. I personally would never rent from someone when I did not actually own the land. And would never expect anyone to want land in our sim if they did not own it.
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Alicia Sautereau
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Join date: 20 Feb 2007
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08-27-2008 13:56
basic rule: island: what ever you see fit mainland: nonono no and no, pure group cause when it`s gone, it`s gone rented in the past a plot on an island with no purchase but slightly higher tier (but who gives a damn  now same with a void tbh, land ownership is the best solution when you can reclaim it for a few simple reasons: prim count - group shared prims and your policing half the time with "where are my prims???" while land ownership they run out of prims, they`re out of prims and need to clean group invites - they buy the plot for weekly/monthly tier and can deed it to group and bring their friends, no hassle for you group - as abouve, all plots share the same group, if some one plays around there is no way to track who`s doing it (banning neighbours for fun as an example) while ownership they can only mess with their land overal, on islands there is no harm in giving them ownership and locking some estate functions, they have their freedom and you aswell and they can`t interfear with other residents they fail payments and you can allways reclaim the land, plus side of that combined with renting vs ownership, if you find a reason to remove them, there is hardly anything they can spread negative crap about you besides "terrible landlord", but it`s only renting  [/rant]
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