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Jannae Karas

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03-31-2008 20:56

My own sim has not upgraded. Has yours? If so, is it wonderful?

There, not one but three questions requiring resident answers.

I promise to be nice : )

love,
Jannae

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Christy Poppy

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03-31-2008 21:06

One of the sims I regularly visit has been on H4 public beta since it was out. Sadly I can't say I see much difference. Still just as laggy. Stability? who cares if you still can't move in a crowded area.

Jannae Karas

Just Looking

Join date: 10 Mar 2007

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03-31-2008 21:16

My neighbor claims that his role playing on Pern is much improved by the beta. Claims he can up his draw distance. Our sim is very clean as these things go in SL (few residents, scripts etc..), and sim statistics are banging on near perfect, so I am amazed that he gets better performance away from home.

Keep those havoc stories coming in folks.

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Cristalle Karami

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03-31-2008 21:20

Nope... not lucky enough to be one of the 1200!

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Jannae Karas

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03-31-2008 21:22

I have land scattered on several sims. Logged in and checked them all. Damned if they are all still pre-havoc

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RobbyRacoon Olmstead

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03-31-2008 21:36

Over half of the regions I frequent on a "daily basis" are in the Havok4 Early Adopter program. There are several things broken about H4, but it *definitely* doesn't crash as often.

It's gonna be a very bumpy upgrade, I imagine, while everyone adjusts to the differences.

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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03-31-2008 21:37

Presumably there is not a list of which sims have Havoc 4.

I suppose we will all get to experience it just a short while.

It is sort of driving me batty waiting though.

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Gabby Handrick

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03-31-2008 21:57

I've been flying around a bit tonight and I've found that Solbitgil and Danmu have been upgraded, I've been flying back and forth between their borders and at least in this one case sim crossings seem to be working better than ever, I'm not sure if Havoc 4 was supposed to address that. Overall performance in Solbitgil seems very good compared to normal considering the number of agents in the sim. So far, I am impressed, I think this may be the beginning of many good things to come and considering all the problems we've experienced lately, this is great news.

Lindal Kidd

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03-31-2008 22:13

maybe so. But the Map and Search are broken again. (22:10 SLT)

[EDIT, 22:12] Never mind, they're back.

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Rhaorth Antonelli

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03-31-2008 22:21

From: Jannae Karas

My neighbor claims that his role playing on Pern is much improved by the beta. Claims he can up his draw distance. Our sim is very clean as these things go in SL (few residents, scripts etc..), and sim statistics are banging on near perfect, so I am amazed that he gets better performance away from home.

Keep those havoc stories coming in folks.

Pern eh?
do they have dragons to fight the thread?
(no not forum thread, the thread that falls from the sky)

please tell me someone has read those books LOL

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Kathy Morellet

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03-31-2008 22:28

From: Rhaorth Antonelli

Pern eh?
do they have dragons to fight the thread?
(no not forum thread, the thread that falls from the sky)

please tell me someone has read those books LOL

Read them all and loved them. Have to look up that sim

Jannae Karas

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03-31-2008 22:47

From: Rhaorth Antonelli

Pern eh?
do they have dragons to fight the thread?
(no not forum thread, the thread that falls from the sky)

Sorry, no clue. however my neighbor is a dragon when he is not a star ship pilot, so I think you may be on to something. I will have to ask him for a LM.

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Aminom Marvin

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03-31-2008 23:18

Me and my friends in W-Hat have been toying around with Havoc 4 in our sim for a while now. It took us weeks just to figure out how to crash it. Finally we figured out how, but only specifically looking for and using an exploit. This exploit was reported and fixed

So yea, as far as physics goes, Havoc 4 is almost uncrashable. Even if you try to introduce a lot of time dilation, it will adjust itself and soon will return to functionable dilation levels.

Packing in a ton of avatars into a sim is still going to cause lag- but the lag isn't from physics, but sim updates. Another consideration is that if you have a lot of avatars, all those avatars are probably going to have a ton of attachments and prims that also figure into updates. I've been to several very large events where the crowd has very attachment-light avatars, and the difference is considerable

Also, Havoc 4 should cause absolutely no difference in framerates x.x It's physics, not rendering. He may be thinking of windlight, which may very well be the case: I find that I get very noticeably higher framerates in windlight with a GeForce 8800 GT card.

Ollj Oh

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Join date: 28 Aug 2007

Posts: 522

04-01-2008 02:02

it got delayed by 1 day by fixing some problems found on the wekend. They want all regions to be on havok4 code on 2008-04-02.

Deira Llanfair

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Join date: 16 Oct 2006

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04-01-2008 02:05

From: Rhaorth Antonelli

Pern eh?
do they have dragons to fight the thread?
(no not forum thread, the thread that falls from the sky)

please tell me someone has read those books LOL

Yes - I've read them all - great fun. Anne McCaffrey could teach John Norman a thing or two about writing novels.

Could have particle thread, maybe?

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Kallisti Burns

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Join date: 8 Dec 2006

Posts: 150

04-01-2008 02:15

When my landlord switched to Havoc 4 beta (almost as soon as was physically possible, if you'll excuse the pun), I soon discovered that my tinters, cloners and loaders all were affected by a "feature" of the Havoc 4 engine... meaning they didn't work...

Couldn't have lived up to it's name better.

My scripter, fortunately, had the presence of mind to find a workaround and we were back up in a week.

One of the first things I noticed about Havoc 4, a feature I'm glad to say is now defunct, is that peopeused to slowly slide down the ramps in my shop...

As it stands now, the only issue I have with Havoc 4 on the island I work on is that the tinting script in my glasses no longer behaves... but I reported this to the manufacturers...

Anybody running the new havoc 4?
Jannae Karas Just Looking Join date: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 1,516	03-31-2008 20:56 My own sim has not upgraded. Has yours? If so, is it wonderful? There, not one but three questions requiring resident answers. I promise to be nice : ) love, Jannae _____________________ Taller Than I Imagined, nicer than yesterday.
Christy Poppy Registered User Join date: 8 Dec 2005 Posts: 28	03-31-2008 21:06 One of the sims I regularly visit has been on H4 public beta since it was out. Sadly I can't say I see much difference. Still just as laggy. Stability? who cares if you still can't move in a crowded area.
Jannae Karas Just Looking Join date: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 1,516	03-31-2008 21:16 My neighbor claims that his role playing on Pern is much improved by the beta. Claims he can up his draw distance. Our sim is very clean as these things go in SL (few residents, scripts etc..), and sim statistics are banging on near perfect, so I am amazed that he gets better performance away from home. Keep those havoc stories coming in folks. _____________________ Taller Than I Imagined, nicer than yesterday.
Cristalle Karami Lady of the House Join date: 4 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,222	03-31-2008 21:20 Nope... not lucky enough to be one of the 1200! _____________________ Affordable & beautiful apartments & homes starting at 150L/wk! Waterfront homes, 575L/wk & 300 prims! House of Cristalle low prim prefabs: secondlife://Cristalle/111/60 http://cristalleproperties.info http://careeningcristalle.blogspot.com - Careening, A SL Sailing Blog
Jannae Karas Just Looking Join date: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 1,516	03-31-2008 21:22 I have land scattered on several sims. Logged in and checked them all. Damned if they are all still pre-havoc _____________________ Taller Than I Imagined, nicer than yesterday.
RobbyRacoon Olmstead Red warrior is hungry! Join date: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,821	03-31-2008 21:36 Over half of the regions I frequent on a "daily basis" are in the Havok4 Early Adopter program. There are several things broken about H4, but it definitely doesn't crash as often. It's gonna be a very bumpy upgrade, I imagine, while everyone adjusts to the differences. _____________________
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	03-31-2008 21:37 Presumably there is not a list of which sims have Havoc 4. I suppose we will all get to experience it just a short while. It is sort of driving me batty waiting though. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Gabby Handrick Registered User Join date: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 190	03-31-2008 21:57 I've been flying around a bit tonight and I've found that Solbitgil and Danmu have been upgraded, I've been flying back and forth between their borders and at least in this one case sim crossings seem to be working better than ever, I'm not sure if Havoc 4 was supposed to address that. Overall performance in Solbitgil seems very good compared to normal considering the number of agents in the sim. So far, I am impressed, I think this may be the beginning of many good things to come and considering all the problems we've experienced lately, this is great news.
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	03-31-2008 22:13 maybe so. But the Map and Search are broken again. (22:10 SLT) [EDIT, 22:12] Never mind, they're back. _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Rhaorth Antonelli Registered User Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 7,425	03-31-2008 22:21 From: Jannae Karas My neighbor claims that his role playing on Pern is much improved by the beta. Claims he can up his draw distance. Our sim is very clean as these things go in SL (few residents, scripts etc..), and sim statistics are banging on near perfect, so I am amazed that he gets better performance away from home. Keep those havoc stories coming in folks. Pern eh? do they have dragons to fight the thread? (no not forum thread, the thread that falls from the sky) please tell me someone has read those books LOL _____________________ From: someone Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar. They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...
Kathy Morellet Registered User Join date: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 809	03-31-2008 22:28 From: Rhaorth Antonelli Pern eh? do they have dragons to fight the thread? (no not forum thread, the thread that falls from the sky) please tell me someone has read those books LOL Read them all and loved them. Have to look up that sim
Jannae Karas Just Looking Join date: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 1,516	03-31-2008 22:47 From: Rhaorth Antonelli Pern eh? do they have dragons to fight the thread? (no not forum thread, the thread that falls from the sky) Sorry, no clue. however my neighbor is a dragon when he is not a star ship pilot, so I think you may be on to something. I will have to ask him for a LM. _____________________ Taller Than I Imagined, nicer than yesterday.
Aminom Marvin Registered User Join date: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 520	03-31-2008 23:18 Me and my friends in W-Hat have been toying around with Havoc 4 in our sim for a while now. It took us weeks just to figure out how to crash it. Finally we figured out how, but only specifically looking for and using an exploit. This exploit was reported and fixed So yea, as far as physics goes, Havoc 4 is almost uncrashable. Even if you try to introduce a lot of time dilation, it will adjust itself and soon will return to functionable dilation levels. Packing in a ton of avatars into a sim is still going to cause lag- but the lag isn't from physics, but sim updates. Another consideration is that if you have a lot of avatars, all those avatars are probably going to have a ton of attachments and prims that also figure into updates. I've been to several very large events where the crowd has very attachment-light avatars, and the difference is considerable Also, Havoc 4 should cause absolutely no difference in framerates x.x It's physics, not rendering. He may be thinking of windlight, which may very well be the case: I find that I get very noticeably higher framerates in windlight with a GeForce 8800 GT card.
Ollj Oh Registered User Join date: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 522	04-01-2008 02:02 it got delayed by 1 day by fixing some problems found on the wekend. They want all regions to be on havok4 code on 2008-04-02.
Deira Llanfair Deira to rhyme with Myra Join date: 16 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,315	04-01-2008 02:05 From: Rhaorth Antonelli Pern eh? do they have dragons to fight the thread? (no not forum thread, the thread that falls from the sky) please tell me someone has read those books LOL Yes - I've read them all - great fun. Anne McCaffrey could teach John Norman a thing or two about writing novels. Could have particle thread, maybe? _____________________ Deira Must create animations for head-desk and palm-face!.
Kallisti Burns Discordant Designer Join date: 8 Dec 2006 Posts: 150	04-01-2008 02:15 When my landlord switched to Havoc 4 beta (almost as soon as was physically possible, if you'll excuse the pun), I soon discovered that my tinters, cloners and loaders all were affected by a "feature" of the Havoc 4 engine... meaning they didn't work... Couldn't have lived up to it's name better. My scripter, fortunately, had the presence of mind to find a workaround and we were back up in a week. One of the first things I noticed about Havoc 4, a feature I'm glad to say is now defunct, is that peopeused to slowly slide down the ramps in my shop... As it stands now, the only issue I have with Havoc 4 on the island I work on is that the tinting script in my glasses no longer behaves... but I reported this to the manufacturers...

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