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Object Group Set vs Group Deed?

Oryx Tempel
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01-13-2008 11:36
OK I understand the whole "set object to group" deal, but what about "deed object to group?"

I've been playing with the settings for my land ownership group (me and my alt), and I'm wondering if the setting under Object Management applies not only to group SET objects, but group DEEDED objects as well? Here's what the description says:

"Manipulate (move, copy, modify) group-owned objects in the Edit Tools > General Tab."

So does "group-owned" mean the stuff set to group, deeded to group, or both? I'm afraid to test it out for fear that I'll never be able to move/change/delete something deeded to group again.
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Kitty Barnett
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01-13-2008 11:42
From: Oryx Tempel
if the setting under Object Management applies not only to group SET objects, but group DEEDED objects as well?
It's the other way around: that setting applies *only* to group-owned objects.

Everyone in the group can always move/take "shared with group" objects. There's no way to prevent that.
Phil Deakins
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01-13-2008 11:43
Group owned only applies to objects that are deeded to the group, and as a group owner, you can always move them. You can't Take them, but you can Return them.
Oryx Tempel
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01-13-2008 12:01
So if I deed, say, a 9 prim chair to the group (owned by me n my alt), then we will both be able to manipulate it and/or return it back to me?

And what's the advantage to deed vs set?
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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01-13-2008 12:04
why not just create a prim, just a simple cube and test it out?

see what works and how it works, and if need be make another alt with just basic membership in the group and test with that too
(that is if the alt is owner of the group as well)
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Oryx Tempel
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01-13-2008 12:08
Will do, thanks. I still don't understand the advantages to deeding...?
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Kitty Barnett
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01-13-2008 12:17
Some script functionality is only available if the owner of the containing prim matches the owner of the land. A script that uses any of those functions would need to be group-deeded to work on group-owned land.
Snowman Jiminy
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01-13-2008 12:18
Deeded objects that accept payment give money to group funds as well.
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Oryx Tempel
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01-13-2008 12:20
Ah, thanks, that makes sense. Actually it makes a lot of sense and may explain some weird script stuff going on at my place.

I just tried it out and noticed also that deeding an object to group means that any L$ paid into that object gets sent to the group (and thusly to group members, I suppose) as opposed to the original owner of the object.
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Oryx Tempel
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01-13-2008 12:33
OK. I've just created a box, shared it with group, deeded it to group, and despite being the owner of the group, I cannot modify the object (stretch, add content, texture, or features) but I can move it. Am I doing something wrong? I've got my group tag on as owner...
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Sling Trebuchet
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01-13-2008 12:38
Next Owner permissions?
Kitty Barnett
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01-13-2008 12:42
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I cannot modify the object (stretch, add content, texture, or features) but I can move it
Deeding an object to a group involves an ownership transfer, so any "next owner can" permissions come into effect as soon as you deed (for the default rezzed prim you get NM/NC/T which explains your not being able to modify it :)) or "undeed" (return will return it to the inventory of the last avie that owned the prim, or if that wasn't you then you'd set it for sale and "buy" it back and remember that the money paid goes into the group so use L$0).

The same applies for any items contained inside of the prim, so if you needed a prim with a notecard/script inside of it that needs to be modified you'd have to set the proper permissions on the notecard/script inside of the prim as well to make sure it can still be modified after deeding. Once deeded you'd need to right-click the notecard/script, pick properties and check "Share with group" (on the script/notecard, not on the container prim) to be able to open it without running into an error (bugs on and off, not sure if it's working the way it should work right now :o).
Oryx Tempel
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01-13-2008 12:43
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Next Owner permissions?

Whee! That worked! Thanks so much gang. You're all awesome.

And thanks Kitty. I hadn't thought about the contents needing to change perms as well.
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