Telling if a sim is openspace

Is there a way to tell if the current region I'm standing in happens to be an OpenSpace sim? I'm thinking of buying a small land parcel from somebody and she won't answer the question as to what sim type the whole region is, which makes me a tad suspicious ...

Cheers!

JJ

You can right click the ground
Choose about land
Open the objects tab

If it says (top line "simulator primative usage" the whole region total is 3500 prims.. it is an openspace.

It will say X prims use out of X total

Thanks ... it's only a 4096m2 I'm looking at, which reports 937 for the prims -> that to me feels like Openspace. I just assumed that there'd be some way of actually confirming it, e.g. like in the SL "About Second Life" window, where I can get the simulator name etc.

Well, if you look at the line it will report the entire sim's object allowance.

If that is 3500.. it is openspace.

Sounds openspace to me, but there is no way to get an about reading like you are hoping for. None I am aware of anyway.

Good luck!

937 prims is exactly right for 4096m on an openspace.

Cheers, thanks for the advice!

You are welcome.

Happy land hunting.

A 4096 plot is 1/16 of a sim.

A full sim allows 15,000 prims per sim and a Void 3,750

1/16th of 15,000 is 937prims making that piece of land a full sim.

That size parcel on a void would only be 234

I doubt people would split voids into parcels that small, though of course there could be some.

"Simulator primitive usage" doesn't refer to the sim; it's the sum of the prim limits across all parcels on the sim that have the same owner (subject to the object region bonus factor and capped at either 3500 or 15000).

If someone owns four 4096m² parcels on a full sim (or any combination that yields 1/4 sim total) the "Simular primitive usage" will say 3500 prims but that doesn't mean it's an openspace.

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Look for "Region Object Bonus Factor" in About Land / Objects (if it's not listed, it's the default 1.0) and divide the parcel size by 4 and the bonus factor and you should be near the prim limit for the *parcel*.

4096m² with 937 prims - no region bonus = 4000 / 4 / 1.0 = 1000 - full sim
4096m² with 937 prims - 4.0 prim bonus = 4000 / 4 / 4.0 = 250 <<< 937 - open space

Thank you, Kitty. I was on an OpenSim standalone and was checking it out there as I was replying. It was all one region though, not split up in hunks so reported my full 45000 prims allowed.

Typo I think? Otherwise I want to own land there too .

Nope, not a typo.

It is part of the OpenSim project. It runs on my PC as a standalone but there are grids popping up such as OSGrid and OpenLife that offer those prim amounts.

It is insane the cool stuff you can build when you are not worried about prim limits.

The software is very alpha level though. But, still a blast and improving all the time.

Does it matter anyway, on what kind of sim it is?
If you like the parcel, and the prims on the parcel is enough, go for it.
It's all about location, support, covenants, and price + prims usage support, the whole bunch together, afterall.

If you can have huge amount of prims, but very bad support/location/too restrictive covenant, what good does it do to you? NOTHING!

Seek the right balance, Opensim parcels are just that good, as full sims, and less chance of extortion by commercial activities. Many opensim owners, use these sims for one purpose, as a extra service, not their main. That makes it more suitable for many.

Anyway, good hunting.

It's hard to tell if people are talking about OpenSim or OpenSpace regions now, but if you're considering living on an OpenSpace region provided by Linden Lab, you should know:

1. never buy land on a private estate.
Only rent on private estates, as unlike mainland, the estate owner of an estate can steal your land back from you. This DOES happen occasionally so the only safe place to buy land is the mainland.

2. NEVER buy land on a private estate if you don't trust the estate owner.
If she wont answer the question ...

This is just an advise, not a forbidden thing, infact, there a gazillion of openspace sims out there, that have activities like normal sims do, without any issues of any kind. Good (well what's good anyway with lag on every sim, openspace or not) performance, stable, etc.
But the only thing is, you're limited to the prims the region supports.
The rest is the same, Linden only tends to be on the very safe side of things, that's why they advise, so they cannot held responsible. (typical american thing though)
But the reality shows, that openspace sims are mostly equal to regular sims. that is:each estate's openspace sims (unless more then four) are running on a dedicated machine together.
So you wont have the problem of having an openspace region from a stranger (another estate), running allong side of yours on the same machine. That gives the estate owner more control over the performance of each region (openspaces dedicated to one subject, spreading it, means more balanced performance, and more land too, for a fraction of the costs the normal additional sims costs)

Another reason they advise against the things mentioned in the quote, is that it is in favor of their wallet. normal sims gains more income, equals more profit. So, they try to scare off potential customers for buying openspaces to be used for normal activity for a way cheaper price. (as extra sim(s) etc).

As you can see, it's double sided, and can be ignored (the advice of linden) for most.

This doesn't seem right. Is there a source for all this info?Or any of it? Particularly the part where each OS in an estate only shares with that particular estate?

The OS do cost the same as a full sim, purchased in fractional increments.

Big difference when adding scripts to the mix of an openspace. Hence, clubs and business applications that need them would see decreases in performance. So, not about the wallet.

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There is no sure-fire way to tell whether you're on an openspace island. Mac's method only works if the sim is only a single 65536m parcel and (I think) if the prim multiplier is set to 1.

So, if About Land > General says "Area 65536 sq. m" and the Objects tab says "out of 3750" then yes, it's an openspace. I really think we need a better way to tell, though.

Oh, I also just now experimented with the prim multiplier, which some shady people were using to make it look like an openspace was really a regular sim. With the latest server version, 1.23.4.93100, the prim multiplier does not push the sim's max prims past 3750, so that's good.

Ok, for awhile now I have listened to the pros and cons of these sims the debate on how well they are performing and its intended purpose for little or not use. To a certain extent, and this is my own personal opinion, overall they are getting a bad rap.

I have owned my since June and have not incurred any performance issues with the sim whatsoever. No lag, no issues with the scripts. Nothing. Yes, I know about mine is being shared with 3 others on a server the affect that may have on my sim's performance. Now granted it is my private home so there is not a lot of visitors and activities that others may have. I have friends that too has them as their primary residence and have not experienced any problems. My openspace sim suites my needs and performs very nicely.

So if you are comtemplating getting one, be sure you decide on what your intended use for it and will perform to your expectations. Do your research as I did. At least through today, I have not regretted opting up for one of these sims.

This is wrong. Even when they were still sold in 4packs only, those 4 were not delivered on one server but often spread over 2 or more.

You have *no* control over who you share with. Same or different estate makes no difference at all.

According to this page [] llGetParcelMaxPrims doesn't consider the region prim bonus. So what about using a function like this to find out?



Thoughts/improvements/shun?

That is completely false. I've heard from many prospective renters who seem to have similar misconceptions, and I don't know where folks are picking this stuff up. It's easy enough to demonstrate that sims hop servers after nearly every restart. Just check the raw data of my openspace benchmarking tests for an example. On top of that, there are many factors that result in overall openspace performance being worse than 1/4 of a regular sim. An openspace sim may well be "good enough" for your individual purposes (and there are many happy openspace occupants out there who would agree), but 4 openspaces do NOT equal one regular sim.
http://wildefirewalcott.blogspot.com/2008/07/performance-comparison-openspace-sims.html

Yeah, this whole notion that an openspace sim is as good as a regular private sim is one of the most absurd things I've seen fostered onto a prospective unsuspecting consumer base (renters) in quite a while. I've a friend that owns 3 islands, two are class 5s and one is an openspace and the performance difference between them is like night and day. She only uses the openspace as a personal living area for herself and the other 2 are heavy use commerical sims and we still can certainly see that everything scriptwise takes much longer to execute on that openspace sim.