Second Life Forums Archive - Do you have to sign the Contribution Agreement to submit to the PJIRA and Wiki?

Benja Kepler

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08-23-2007 11:56

I asked Zero Linden this today (Aug 23) and the reply was:-

[8:20] You: and require Contribution Agreements for submitting to wiki and pjira?
[8:22] Zero Linden: BK - no different than before

so I asked the same question again and got no reply.

Does anybody know the answer?

Meade Paravane

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08-23-2007 12:03

/me points at http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Submitting_code

edit: ...which is for submitting code. I assume you're asking about submitting patches.

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Darien Caldwell

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08-23-2007 12:13

Im not sure what a PJIRA is, but for JIRA, you dont' have to sign a contributors agreement to submit bugs. You do have to sign one to submit patches. For the wiki, I don't believe you have to submit an agreement, but not sure on that one.

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Benja Kepler

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08-23-2007 12:15

Ah, no. That's what I thought the Contribution Agreement was for. Patches, source code. You know, for the Open Source project.

But the PJIRA also has a clause on the login page:-

All submissions to this site are governed by Second Life Project Contribution Agreement.

So that's why I asked.

It does say 'All submissions', so that's bug reports, evidence, etc.?

Oryx Tempel

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08-23-2007 12:16

Benja,

To report bugs and make comments, you only have to login to JIRA. You don't have to sign any super high-powered agreement. Same with the SL wiki.

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Benja Kepler

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08-23-2007 12:17

Oops, sorry

PJIRA is 'Public JIRA' , i.e. the one we can use

whereas Linden Lab have their own (Internal) JIRA

Benja Kepler

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08-23-2007 12:18

Oryx,

How do you know?

Have you asked a Linden and been told that?

I asked Zero Linden and he didn't say either way as far as I could tell.

Oryx Tempel

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08-23-2007 12:29

From: Benja Kepler

Oryx,

How do you know?

Have you asked a Linden and been told that?

I asked Zero Linden and he didn't say either way as far as I could tell.

Because I post to the JIRA nearly every day and never signed a form. Same with the SL wiki.

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Benja Kepler

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08-23-2007 12:36

Yes, and so do I.

But that is not proof is it? If the agreement has to be signed, then you are in error too.

Oryx Tempel

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08-23-2007 13:22

From: Benja Kepler

Yes, and so do I.

But that is not proof is it? If the agreement has to be signed, then you are in error too.

Whatever. If LL is really that worried about it, they'll let me know. And I don't really give a sod if I'm "in error." I'm just in JIRA to help out.

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Oryx Tempel

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08-23-2007 13:28

From: Benja Kepler

Yes, and so do I.

But that is not proof is it? If the agreement has to be signed, then you are in error too.

From the JIRA dashboard:

"All submissions to this site are governed by Second Life Project Contribution Agreement. By submitting patches and other information using this site, you acknowledge that you've read, understood, and agreed to those terms."

Have you read the agreement? There's nowhere to sign. If you've read it and agree to it, then you can post. The VERY ACTION of posting means you've agreed to it.

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Benja Kepler

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08-23-2007 14:05

Actually, I got an email from Liana Linden asking me to sign the agreement and fax it back but I refused.

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Project:Contribution_Agreement

Since clause 1. of this says

From: someone

"Contribution" means any source code, object code, patch, tool, sample, graphic, specification, manual, documentation, email, comment, posting, communication or any other material posted or submitted by you to the Project.

I thought, does this apply to ANY submission to the PJIRA and Wiki? It does say posting for example.

Which is why I asked Benjamin Linden last week, then Zero Linden today: and drew blanks.

So I thought I'd ask here if anyone has hit the same.

But it's not worth getting excited about, so sorry Oryx, if I upset you.

regards,
Benja

Oryx Tempel

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08-23-2007 14:31

From the SL wiki:

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Submitting_code
"Before You Start
Check JIRA Bug Tracker to see if the issue has been submitted and its status.

If you're going to write a patch, don't forget to sign and send in the contribution agreement. The sooner you do that, the sooner we can accept your patch. "

This does not include just reporting, commenting and voting on issues.

From the SL website:
http://secondlife.com/developers/opensource/submitting
"Code Submission Guidelines
Please make sure that you have signed and submitted a contributor agreement.
For code submissions, please submit as a .patch file in unidiff format (use "diff -u" or the default output from "svn diff"

. Please ensure that your submission complies with our coding standard
Submit your contribution via our online issue tracking system. If your contribution addresses a bug or implements an enhancement that has already been described in an issue, please attach it to that issue. If there is no issue to attach it to, please create an issue, then attach your contribution to that issue."

Again, no mention of merely submitting bug reports, new feature proposals, comments, or votes.

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Darien Caldwell

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08-23-2007 14:37

As I stated above, you only have to sign an agreement for submitting patches and code to the open source viewer. not for posting bugs etc.

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Benja Kepler

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08-23-2007 14:49

BIG EGG ON FACE TIME

It would have been easier just to ask Liana Linden again, so I did:-

From: someone

[14:34] Benja Kepler: Liana, can I ask you something when you've finished your meeting?
[14:34] Liana Linden: shoot
[14:35] Benja Kepler: you emailed me about the Contribution Agreement - does that affect PJIRA and Wiki submissions too?"
[14:41] Liana Linden: ... no, you don't have to sign the code contributor agreement to edit the wiki.
[14:41] Liana Linden: Does that clear things up?
[14:42] Benja Kepler: and that goes for the PJIRA too?
[14:45] Liana Linden: ... same as the wiki.

(she quoted the agreement bits again so I've left them out of this reply to save boring too many people)

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08-23-2007 15:17

*bangs head on desk*

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Do you have to sign the Contribution Agreement to submit to the PJIRA and Wiki?
Benja Kepler Registered User Join date: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 53	08-23-2007 11:56 I asked Zero Linden this today (Aug 23) and the reply was:- [8:20] You: and require Contribution Agreements for submitting to wiki and pjira? [8:22] Zero Linden: BK - no different than before so I asked the same question again and got no reply. Does anybody know the answer?
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	08-23-2007 12:03 /me points at http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Submitting_code edit: ...which is for submitting code. I assume you're asking about submitting patches. _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Darien Caldwell Registered User Join date: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,127	08-23-2007 12:13 Im not sure what a PJIRA is, but for JIRA, you dont' have to sign a contributors agreement to submit bugs. You do have to sign one to submit patches. For the wiki, I don't believe you have to submit an agreement, but not sure on that one. _____________________
Benja Kepler Registered User Join date: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 53	08-23-2007 12:15 Ah, no. That's what I thought the Contribution Agreement was for. Patches, source code. You know, for the Open Source project. But the PJIRA also has a clause on the login page:- All submissions to this site are governed by Second Life Project Contribution Agreement. So that's why I asked. It does say 'All submissions', so that's bug reports, evidence, etc.?
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	08-23-2007 12:16 Benja, To report bugs and make comments, you only have to login to JIRA. You don't have to sign any super high-powered agreement. Same with the SL wiki. _____________________
Benja Kepler Registered User Join date: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 53	08-23-2007 12:17 Oops, sorry PJIRA is 'Public JIRA' , i.e. the one we can use whereas Linden Lab have their own (Internal) JIRA
Benja Kepler Registered User Join date: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 53	08-23-2007 12:18 Oryx, How do you know? Have you asked a Linden and been told that? I asked Zero Linden and he didn't say either way as far as I could tell.
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	08-23-2007 12:29 From: Benja Kepler Oryx, How do you know? Have you asked a Linden and been told that? I asked Zero Linden and he didn't say either way as far as I could tell. Because I post to the JIRA nearly every day and never signed a form. Same with the SL wiki. _____________________
Benja Kepler Registered User Join date: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 53	08-23-2007 12:36 Yes, and so do I. But that is not proof is it? If the agreement has to be signed, then you are in error too.
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	08-23-2007 13:22 From: Benja Kepler Yes, and so do I. But that is not proof is it? If the agreement has to be signed, then you are in error too. Whatever. If LL is really that worried about it, they'll let me know. And I don't really give a sod if I'm "in error." I'm just in JIRA to help out. _____________________
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	08-23-2007 13:28 From: Benja Kepler Yes, and so do I. But that is not proof is it? If the agreement has to be signed, then you are in error too. From the JIRA dashboard: "All submissions to this site are governed by Second Life Project Contribution Agreement. By submitting patches and other information using this site, you acknowledge that you've read, understood, and agreed to those terms." Have you read the agreement? There's nowhere to sign. If you've read it and agree to it, then you can post. The VERY ACTION of posting means you've agreed to it. _____________________
Benja Kepler Registered User Join date: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 53	08-23-2007 14:05 Actually, I got an email from Liana Linden asking me to sign the agreement and fax it back but I refused. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Project:Contribution_Agreement Since clause 1. of this says From: someone "Contribution" means any source code, object code, patch, tool, sample, graphic, specification, manual, documentation, email, comment, posting, communication or any other material posted or submitted by you to the Project. I thought, does this apply to ANY submission to the PJIRA and Wiki? It does say posting for example. Which is why I asked Benjamin Linden last week, then Zero Linden today: and drew blanks. So I thought I'd ask here if anyone has hit the same. But it's not worth getting excited about, so sorry Oryx, if I upset you. regards, Benja
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	08-23-2007 14:31 From the SL wiki: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Submitting_code "Before You Start Check JIRA Bug Tracker to see if the issue has been submitted and its status. If you're going to write a patch, don't forget to sign and send in the contribution agreement. The sooner you do that, the sooner we can accept your patch. " This does not include just reporting, commenting and voting on issues. From the SL website: http://secondlife.com/developers/opensource/submitting "Code Submission Guidelines Please make sure that you have signed and submitted a contributor agreement. For code submissions, please submit as a .patch file in unidiff format (use "diff -u" or the default output from "svn diff". Please ensure that your submission complies with our coding standard Submit your contribution via our online issue tracking system. If your contribution addresses a bug or implements an enhancement that has already been described in an issue, please attach it to that issue. If there is no issue to attach it to, please create an issue, then attach your contribution to that issue." Again, no mention of merely submitting bug reports, new feature proposals, comments, or votes. _____________________
Darien Caldwell Registered User Join date: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,127	08-23-2007 14:37 As I stated above, you only have to sign an agreement for submitting patches and code to the open source viewer. not for posting bugs etc. _____________________
Benja Kepler Registered User Join date: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 53	08-23-2007 14:49 BIG EGG ON FACE TIME It would have been easier just to ask Liana Linden again, so I did:- From: someone [14:34] Benja Kepler: Liana, can I ask you something when you've finished your meeting? [14:34] Liana Linden: shoot [14:35] Benja Kepler: you emailed me about the Contribution Agreement - does that affect PJIRA and Wiki submissions too?" [14:41] Liana Linden: ... no, you don't have to sign the code contributor agreement to edit the wiki. [14:41] Liana Linden: Does that clear things up? [14:42] Benja Kepler: and that goes for the PJIRA too? [14:45] Liana Linden: ... same as the wiki. (she quoted the agreement bits again so I've left them out of this reply to save boring too many people)
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	08-23-2007 15:17 bangs head on desk _____________________

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