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Estate Management Tutorial

Aebleskiver Thibedeau
Sapiosexual
Join date: 6 Feb 2008
Posts: 351
07-13-2009 05:21
Could someone point me to a tutorial on estate management? I need to get up to speed toute suite, and my Google-fu is crap. (Yes, yes, I know, but I have other virtues...) :)

Pretty please?

Thank you thank you, clever folk!

MUAH!
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Dekka Raymaker
thinking very hard
Join date: 4 Feb 2007
Posts: 3,898
07-13-2009 05:25
From: Aebleskiver Thibedeau
Could someone point me to a tutorial on estate management? I need to get up to speed toute suite, and my Google-fu is crap. (Yes, yes, I know, but I have other virtues...) :)

Pretty please?

Thank you thank you, clever folk!

MUAH!

My experience as an Estate Manager was just to get down dirty and learn on the fly, ask direct questions at the time from someone in world that knows, what to do, open the windows read what little it says it does, click it to see if you can change it, read what will happen when its changes, if it doesn't kill anyone or return everything they own back to them, play with it, but alsways make a note of how it was set to start with, if it goes wrong set it back to how it was and say "it wasn't me".
Aebleskiver Thibedeau
Sapiosexual
Join date: 6 Feb 2008
Posts: 351
07-13-2009 07:00
ah! well! OK! I guess my fellow group members will get used to being locked out of their sims in time, while I climb this particular learning curve.....
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Treasure Ballinger
Virtual Ability
Join date: 31 Dec 2007
Posts: 2,745
07-13-2009 07:10
From: Aebleskiver Thibedeau
ah! well! OK! I guess my fellow group members will get used to being locked out of their sims in time, while I climb this particular learning curve.....


That's how I learned also. Except for specific questions on specific things; which I asked some in here and some other places. I learned things as they occurred. The Debug settings are valuable to me and I check them a lot (top scripts) to see who has what, running on my sim, and where exactly it is. Also how to add someone to the estate ban list is important in case you need to do it in a hurry.. (World/Region-Estate/ban list on the bottom right.) Land and media settings, how to change music streams, what 'could' be wrong if a person doesn't hear the music playing or if you can't get it to work. SL makes land issues so complex for the non techy among us but it's fun to learn. I've found that I use the same tools over and over again, and many I never use. You'll get to know what's important and what you use a lot. Good luck!
Aebleskiver Thibedeau
Sapiosexual
Join date: 6 Feb 2008
Posts: 351
07-13-2009 07:17
From: Treasure Ballinger
That's how I learned also.



...and the sounds of the screams do die down eventually!
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Dekka Raymaker
thinking very hard
Join date: 4 Feb 2007
Posts: 3,898
07-13-2009 07:18
From: Aebleskiver Thibedeau
ah! well! OK! I guess my fellow group members will get used to being locked out of their sims in time, while I climb this particular learning curve.....

Just make sure you don't ban yourself.
Treasure Ballinger
Virtual Ability
Join date: 31 Dec 2007
Posts: 2,745
07-13-2009 07:21
From: Dekka Raymaker
Just make sure you don't ban yourself.


Yeah......and sim restarts; those used to terrify me, I was always afraid it wouldn't come back........so far it always has.
Aebleskiver Thibedeau
Sapiosexual
Join date: 6 Feb 2008
Posts: 351
07-13-2009 07:28
From: Dekka Raymaker
Just make sure you don't ban yourself.



YIKES!
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Deira Llanfair
Deira to rhyme with Myra
Join date: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 2,315
07-13-2009 07:33
Torley has made a number of VidTuts about land and land management, including the Estate Management tools.

The are in the Knowledge Base - look under Support on the SL website.
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Dante Tucker
Purple
Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 806
07-13-2009 10:21
Managing land as an EM can be quite difficult to wrap your head around the first time so I want to write about that.

2 things:
You can only sell land owned by the Estate Owner.
And, you can abandon any parcel back to the Estate Owner (like abandoning land to governor linden on mainland)

So if you want to change the ownership of someones land. First you have to abandon it, then you can sell it to whoever you want. Most people it takes a while to figure that out.

If you want to change the settings on land where you don't have powers, you have to abandon it, then sell it to yourself.

Fun fact: While an EM can enter parcels they are banned from, then can not speak in chat in them.
Limonella Sorbet
Registered User
Join date: 31 May 2008
Posts: 219
07-13-2009 14:08
What if someone abandons the land and a bot buys it, or it gets abandoned to the Gov.?

If that's a danger, maybe add how to avoid that happening.
Dante Tucker
Purple
Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 806
07-13-2009 14:12
It's not a problem. Because if someone buys it, an Estate Manager can just abandon it again.

No Estate parcels will ever go to Governor Linden, because he is not the Estate Owner like he is on Mainland. Abandoned parcels go to the Estate Owner.

EMs and the EO have full rights over owners of land. If someone you don't like buys land, simply take it back.
Dante Tucker
Purple
Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 806
07-13-2009 14:17
Also note that land bots do not buy Estate land.
Limonella Sorbet
Registered User
Join date: 31 May 2008
Posts: 219
07-13-2009 14:33
Thank you, Dante, for the explanation.
Jade Angkarn
Always a Night Owl
Join date: 6 Oct 2006
Posts: 209
07-13-2009 18:47
Random thoughts...

Be careful uploading a new sim terrain map file...

/me is still horrified by the image of everything on the sim getting autoreturned while corrupt terrain map file completely tore up sim terrain...

Thank god I had no paying tenants at the time...

Another thing I recently learned, you will never see any other tenant's ban lines even if you are not on "the list."

Top Scripts are your friend (and very useful too).
Benski Trenkins
Free speech for the dumb
Join date: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 547
07-13-2009 19:43
From: Jade Angkarn
Another thing I recently learned, you will never see any other tenant's ban lines even if you are not on "the list."


Residents cannot keep estate managers and owners out. Not by any parcel settings and not even with orbs, since managers and owners can simply disable or return them using 'top scripts' menu.
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Abigail Merlin
Child av on the lose
Join date: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 777
07-13-2009 22:12
Do not be afraid to ask a rollback from trough the support tickets, unlike other ticket types these only take about half an hour and restore the sim to the state it was before you messed up, this service comes with the 295 usd tier you pay so might as wel use it.
just do not wait to long because everything that was build/rezzed between the last snapshot and the rollback will be gone too.
Dekka Raymaker
thinking very hard
Join date: 4 Feb 2007
Posts: 3,898
07-14-2009 04:57
From: Jade Angkarn
Another thing I recently learned, you will never see any other tenant's ban lines even if you are not on "the list."

When I was an Estate Manager, I wasn't happy about this, we had a ban lines ban on the Estate, we had new people coming in all the time, but every now and again I would get a complaint that someone had them up, I always had to wait to be told before I could ask the resident to remove them.
Abigail Merlin
Child av on the lose
Join date: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 777
07-14-2009 07:25
From: Dekka Raymaker
When I was an Estate Manager, I wasn't happy about this, we had a ban lines ban on the Estate, we had new people coming in all the time, but every now and again I would get a complaint that someone had them up, I always had to wait to be told before I could ask the resident to remove them.

one way around that is having an alt that is not in the estate manager list, offcourse you still need to log into that alt just to check for banlines so you don't detect banlines right away but it is better then nothing
Jade Angkarn
Always a Night Owl
Join date: 6 Oct 2006
Posts: 209
07-14-2009 16:25
What I'd like to know is a good set of recommendations for numbers/limits for Top Scripts/Colliders, total script time, etc. etc. I've seen one land owner have a limit of no scripts over .5 ms, another one had no total scripts per parcel greater than 2 ms, etc.

I read something on the LL website about if Time Dilation gets down to .50 or something like that it's not good... but that's WAY beyond "not good." I get concerned when I see Time Dilation drop below .90 on a regular basis.
Dante Tucker
Purple
Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 806
07-14-2009 17:25
From: Jade Angkarn
What I'd like to know is a good set of recommendations for numbers/limits for Top Scripts/Colliders, total script time, etc. etc. I've seen one land owner have a limit of no scripts over .5 ms, another one had no total scripts per parcel greater than 2 ms, etc.

I read something on the LL website about if Time Dilation gets down to .50 or something like that it's not good... but that's WAY beyond "not good." I get concerned when I see Time Dilation drop below .90 on a regular basis.


Script time is largely inaccurate. And the proper numbers vary from sim to sim.

A script having trouble will often cause another unrelated script to rise in script time. I also have a certain couch that claims to be using 1000+ ms on average.

EDIT, I posted numbers, I must be crazy, they were way off. I'll report back with updated numbers
Dekka Raymaker
thinking very hard
Join date: 4 Feb 2007
Posts: 3,898
07-15-2009 03:38
From: Dante Tucker
I also have a certain couch that claims to be using 1000+ ms on average.
EDIT, I posted numbers, I must be crazy, they were way off. I'll report back with updated numbers

Yeah crazy, that couch should be ARd :)