Hey guys and gals, I'm in the process of building a new computer from scratch. I'm at odds which direction to go. I'm planning to use for GPU the GeForce 8800 GT 512 Mb, Win XP, 2Gb RAM DDR2 800 Mhz.
what would give me better performance to run current client at Ultra settings and maintain FPS above 20? My choices so far are the AMD X2 Dual Core or the Intel Core 2 Duo. Any constructive feedback is appreciated...
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Calveen Kline
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08-08-2008 13:16
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Wicked Picket
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08-08-2008 13:25
Hey guys and gals, I'm in the process of building a new computer from scratch. I'm at odds which direction to go. I'm planning to use for GPU the GeForce 8800 GT 512 Mb, Win XP, 2Gb RAM DDR2 800 Mhz. what would give me better performance to run current client at Ultra settings and maintain FPS above 20? My choices so far are the AMD X2 Dual Core or the Intel Core 2 Duo. Any constructive feedback is appreciated... I don't believe it will matter which way you go on the CPU...it's kinda like a Ford vs. Chevy argument.  |
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08-08-2008 13:38
I don't believe it will matter which way you go on the CPU...it's kinda like a Ford vs. Chevy argument. depends on what you what to do with it... it's a valid argument (although more towards specific models prices and uses than the actual brand these days) I'm personally preferential to the X2's because AMD isn't as well known for springing 'funny' surprises on you like Intel is (remember the floating point bug and serial numbers? yeah I thought so) you're likely to find more low level support for Intel problems though than AMD; AMD habitually assumes a greater degree of technical knowledge on the part of their users... the choice is probably slim difference at this point, and will probably be decided for you based on the motherboard (and features it has) and it's price. _____________________
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Chosen Few
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08-08-2008 14:28
Wasn't the floating point bug 14 years ago, and wasn't AMD a second-source manufacturer for Intel at the time? And hasn't the serial number issue been over with for almost a decade? Can we really call those things "surprises" at this point?
I never did understood the hoopla over the serial numbers, by the way. Having had the thief who robbed my office in early 2000 caught via serial number (dumb-ass took one of the computers he'd stolen in for repairs, and they ran the number), I'm a firm believer in serial numbers. The privacy concerns over them were pretty laughable, as I recall. If someone wants to track your Web habits, there are much easier ways to do it. In any case, it's a an 8 or 9 year old non-issue by now. I'm a big Intel fan, myself. Knock on wood, I've never had any problem with their CPU's. I've only ever owned one AMD CPU, and I had no problems with that either, but I have had lots of problems with just about every AMD product I've ever bought, and since they're the same company, it makes me leery. Maybe that's sensible; maybe it's not. I'm really not sure. What I do know is Intel hasn't steered me wrong, and that's good enough for me. _____________________
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Jodina Patton
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08-08-2008 15:37
I have used nothing but AMD for the last 6 years. My current system has an AMD X2 4200+ 65watt CPU, an AMD 780G chipset motherboard (built in Radeon HD3200 that runs SL very well but not as good as the 1950pro) and a ATI X1950Pro... System runs everything I throw at it without issue and runs near silent with the stock cooler and was a lot cheaper than the Intel equivalent.
With that said the Intel C2D's are better clock per clock and you will not go wrong that way either. I do all my shopping at newegg.com. Good luck with the build. |
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08-08-2008 15:39
Intel all the way...got them...love them.
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Ciaran Laval
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08-08-2008 16:02
The Intel Core 2 duo is the first time in quite some time that I've actually considered Intel to be taking the AMD threat seriously. Good performance, good value.
At home I'm running an AMD Phenom, at work I've just ordered Intel Core 2 duo, I'm happy with both choices. |
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Milla Janick
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08-08-2008 16:21
I prefer Intel processors, but I believe with that video card, either one of them will do what you're asking.
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Mjolnir Uriza
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08-08-2008 16:58
intel over priced for under prefomance, might as well be running a mac!
but for most things sl related your vidio card is more inportant for preformance then the main cpu. and now that AMD ownes ati this might change but right now today it's gforce for the win |
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Tod69 Talamasca
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08-08-2008 17:04
Anymore I think it's become a Moot Point.
When comparing 2 identical CPU's from two different Manufacturers, the first thing that comes to mind..... Price. If $$ isn't a factor, then you could always compare the L1 and L2 Cache each one has. One other thing to consider is: AMD still uses the CPU's with pins on them that drop into the CPU socket on the motherboard. Intel now uses a chip that has no 'pins' but instead rests on the contacts that are in the CPU socket on the motherboard. If you're a bit "fat fingered" and clumsy- beware!! Those lil' contacts in the Intel motherboards bend SO easy! Its like trying to NOT bend aluminum foil. Other than that I can't think of any compelling reason to pick one over the other. _____________________
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Beezle Warburton
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08-08-2008 18:00
intel over priced for under prefomance, might as well be running a mac! Ah. Like one of the INTEL based Macs. Funny, it is sort of just like running a mac. |
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Dana Hickman
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08-08-2008 20:15
With that nvidia video card.. either AMD or Intel will do fine. Both X2 and C2D have more than enough power to handle it's share of what SL will throw at it.
If you ever plan on adding another vid card to run SLI, keep in mind that the newest nvidia i590 SLI chipset for Intel has been dropped (board production stopped & sales halted) by at least 3 top tier motherboard makers because of manufacturing problems with the i590. I dont think there's any issues with the i570 or any of the older SLI chipsets for Intel. |
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Jeremey Ryan
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08-08-2008 21:50
I find that Intel is over priced and has been for some time. I have gone with AMD and have always had good luck with them. I build my own PCs for my work. Presently I am using an AMD 64bit dual core, an ASUS board and Nvidia (SLI) GeForce 7600 GS for video (X2). The video cards are a bit outdated now but still do a good job. I have 2Gig RAM and Win XP Pro. My other system is using an AMD 64 bit single core and does a fine job. I guess it is a personal preference, both seem to do the job quite well now. I'll stick with AMD and XP for now. Some oen said in an earlier post, its like Chevy VS Ford...I am a Chevy boy....LOL
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Osgeld Barmy
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08-09-2008 00:01
amd always wins in the price vs performance battle
which one is faster? all depends acc to toms hardware the top 3 for 2007 were intels, then dominated by amd's course that can all go out the window, buy a 200$ intel chip with a craptastic mainboard and some slow ram and you have done nothing me personally AMD, why cause i can spend less on a good cpu and still have enough left over in the budget for a bad ace motherboard and top speed ram, and unless your buying the uber extreme editions of either the difference can really only be measured in benchmarks |
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Kelli May
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08-09-2008 01:16
I've always had AMD-based PCs. It used to be that AMD processors beat Intel hands down in the price vs. performance stakes, and going by the responses here they still do. They always had the image in my mind that the folks who wander into PC world wanting a computer and not sure what else buy Intel, those in the know buy AMD. Maybe that's just what they want me to think! AMD always were the overclockers' friend.
It's worrying, now, just how difficult it is to find AMD-based PCs in the high street and even on some websites. I'd not been aware of any big tech-victory by Intel, but in the marketplace they seem to have AMD whipped. Note these stories: "Chip maker AMD still in the red" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7353865.stm "Chip maker AMD posts further loss" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7513387.stm _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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08-09-2008 02:04
amd always wins in the price vs performance battle Not sure this is as cut and dried as it once was, for the first time in four years I've purchased Intel at work because the core 2 duo is priced extremely competitively. |
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Domino Marama
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08-09-2008 02:27
It's worrying, now, just how difficult it is to find AMD-based PCs in the high street and even on some websites. I'd not been aware of any big tech-victory by Intel, but in the marketplace they seem to have AMD whipped. Note these stories: "Chip maker AMD still in the red" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7353865.stm "Chip maker AMD posts further loss" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7513387.stm You missed a few: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=intel+anti+competitive |
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Beezle Warburton
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08-09-2008 02:56
Not sure this is as cut and dried as it once was, for the first time in four years I've purchased Intel at work because the core 2 duo is priced extremely competitively. This computer is Intel Core2Duo -- I hadn't run Intel since a P233. Their prices quit being loony in comparison to AMD. |
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Tod69 Talamasca
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08-09-2008 09:47
Just for comparison:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5800+ Brisbane 3.0GHz Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor Model ADA5800IAA5DO - OEM Athlon 64 X2 L1 Cache: 128KB+128KB L2 Cache: 2 x 512KB Manufacturing Tech: 65 nm Price: $89.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail Series: Core 2 Duo FSB:1333MHz L2 Cache: 6MB Manufacturing Tech: 45 nm Price: $169.99 _____________________
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Milla Janick
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08-09-2008 09:58
Just for comparison: The AMD may be cheaper, but the Intel is much faster. |
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Jodina Patton
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08-09-2008 10:17
Probably a more fair comparison as the previous was an OEM AMD and a Retail Intel.
AMD Athlon X2 4850e 2.5GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 45W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $77.00 Shipped. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103255 Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 Allendale 2.4GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $119.00 shipped. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115032 Both those CPU's are very close in performance. Intel will beat it marginally performance wise but AMD takes it on lower wattage. |