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3Ring Binder
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10-30-2007 14:29
if you want to purchase land set to sale for "anyone", can you do so if you have been banned from said land?

alternately, can you sell it to "anyone" except Name Name (banned avatar)?
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Cristalle Karami
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10-30-2007 14:42
From: 3Ring Binder
if you want to purchase land set to sale for "anyone", can you do so if you have been banned from said land?

alternately, can you sell it to "anyone" except Name Name (banned avatar)?

You can buy the land if you are banned.

Anyone means anyone.

And no, you cannot exclude anyone from buying your land because anyone means anyone.

Until they build in an exclusion feature (not likely), you have to own it or let go of it.
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10-30-2007 14:43
ok. thanks. :)
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Raymond Figtree
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10-30-2007 16:18
Sometimes people leave their ban lines on and set the land to anyone. The land search sends you to the plot next door. You can still buy the land by clicking on it through the ban lines.
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3Ring Binder
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10-30-2007 16:22
i have always marvelled at that mentality. i wouldn't buy it, jsut on principal! :rolleyes:
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Oryx Tempel
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10-30-2007 16:25
A JIRA proposal to be able to block specific avatars from buying land:

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10-30-2007 16:26
i'll vote for that! my first JIRA! i feel so.. so.... mature. :p
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Raymond Figtree
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10-30-2007 17:40
From: Oryx Tempel
A JIRA proposal to be able to block specific avatars from buying land:

When you put img on some links they disappear. Us non grease monkey folks cant see the link, O.

Pasting it here:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-116
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Gomez Bracken
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10-30-2007 18:04
Yes, I bought a plot of land that the nieghbour had banned me from (because i returned his prim litter from my land after asking him to clean it) and paid well over the odds, just to get shut of his constant grief (LL would not help)

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Oryx Tempel
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10-30-2007 18:10
From: Raymond Figtree
When you put img on some links they disappear. Us non grease monkey folks cant see the link, O.

Pasting it here:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-116

Weird. I'm a non grease monkey person and I can see and click on it. Huh. Oh well, thanks for the heads up Ray! *hug*
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10-30-2007 18:41
What good would that proposal be?... anyone could purchase the land and then sell it to the person that was originally excluded. I don't think the restriction would carry over to the new owner.
Nina Stepford
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10-30-2007 20:33
ah the freebie guy! i remember that.
From: Gomez Bracken
Yes, I bought a plot of land that the nieghbour had banned me from (because i returned his prim litter from my land after asking him to clean it) and paid well over the odds, just to get shut of his constant grief (LL would not help)

Gomez
Nina Stepford
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10-30-2007 20:47
i am a greasemonkey user and i cannot see the link.
Ricky Yates
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10-30-2007 23:43
From: Starfire Desade
What good would that proposal be?... anyone could purchase the land and then sell it to the person that was originally excluded. I don't think the restriction would carry over to the new owner.
My thoughts exactly. This may help against n00b a**hole neighbours, but not against someone at least moderately skilled in land transactions.
Bradley Bracken
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10-30-2007 23:58
From: Nina Stepford
i am a greasemonkey user and i cannot see the link.


Same here.
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Larrie Lane
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10-31-2007 00:08
By adding the feature of banning a particular person from buying the land, isn't that a form of griefing or discrimination?

Example; You have fallen out with your neighbours and want to sell the land,prior to falling out, you have already been asked by your neighbours to sell to them.
They want to expand their land and admitted previoulsy they don't like your gothic castle as it spoils their view of the ocean. You decide to set the land for sale and ban your neighbour from purchasing.

Other than the fact in this example it would only be done out of spite to prevent your neighbours from getting what they want and that is to get their view and expand their land holdings.

I would of thought given these circumstances there would be an advantage to make a few extra Lindens as there is already demand for the land and to also offload it quickly to enable you to move on.

With this kind of feature, if it was to be used as in the example, IMO this is just so childish, it reminds me of my school days in the playground, "Tit for Tat".

So exactly why would such a feature need to be added?
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10-31-2007 00:18
From: Cristalle Karami

And no, you cannot exclude anyone from buying your land because anyone means anyone.
Until they build in an exclusion feature (not likely), you have to own it or let go of it.


My neighbors are selling their land, but don't want to sell to *just anyone.*

In an effort to screen out land bots and barons, they left the land marked "not for sale" but put up "for sale" signs. If you want to buy the land, you have to contact them, talk to them, and negotiate a price. "Undesirables" get a higher price than others. Same as a exclusion feature, just it requires a little more work on their part.

I hate to see them move and sell their land, but I'm extremely thankful that they want to make sure the people they sell to are conscientious neighbors.
Raymond Figtree
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10-31-2007 00:30
From: Eben Slade
My neighbors are selling their land, but don't want to sell to *just anyone.*

In an effort to screen out land bots and barons, they left the land marked "not for sale" but put up "for sale" signs. If you want to buy the land, you have to contact them, talk to them, and negotiate a price. "Undesirables" get a higher price than others. Same as a exclusion feature, just it requires a little more work on their part.

I hate to see them move and sell their land, but I'm extremely thankful that they want to make sure the people they sell to are conscientious neighbors.
I hope they have an explanation that the land is for sale if a buyer contacts the seller in the description, otherwise the land is going to sit there for a long time since people will assume the signs are a mistake.
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10-31-2007 02:11
From: 3Ring Binder
i have always marvelled at that mentality. i wouldn't buy it, jsut on principal! :rolleyes:


heh, you and me both! I never understood it. I'm assuming they had an access list setup, and when then went to sell the land, because they walk on and off the land without trouble, they tend to forget that the land was setup to allow entry only via the access list. Hence, they dont remember to release the access block.
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10-31-2007 02:12
From: Raymond Figtree
I hope they have an explanation that the land is for sale if a buyer contacts the seller in the description, otherwise the land is going to sit there for a long time since people will assume the signs are a mistake.


I've seen land for sale with the price set to 'outrageous' but with a form of "Real price is lower" or "IM me for real price" in the land description.
That gets the plot onto the Map in yellow, and attracts the attention of people looking for land in particular areas or types of area.
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10-31-2007 02:13
From: Larrie Lane
By adding the feature of banning a particular person from buying the land, isn't that a form of griefing or discrimination?

Example; You have fallen out with your neighbours and want to sell the land,prior to falling out, you have already been asked by your neighbours to sell to them.
They want to expand their land and admitted previoulsy they don't like your gothic castle as it spoils their view of the ocean. You decide to set the land for sale and ban your neighbour from purchasing.

Other than the fact in this example it would only be done out of spite to prevent your neighbours from getting what they want and that is to get their view and expand their land holdings.

I would of thought given these circumstances there would be an advantage to make a few extra Lindens as there is already demand for the land and to also offload it quickly to enable you to move on.

With this kind of feature, if it was to be used as in the example, IMO this is just so childish, it reminds me of my school days in the playground, "Tit for Tat".

So exactly why would such a feature need to be added?


Why would you want to ban someone who wants to buy your land? If I had a fallout with a neighbor, I'd sell it to them, and rape them on the price while I was at it.
Raymond Figtree
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10-31-2007 02:19
From: Sling Trebuchet
I've seen land for sale with the price set to 'outrageous' but with a form of "Real price is lower" or "IM me for real price" in the land description.
That gets the plot onto the Map in yellow, and attracts the attention of people looking for land in particular areas or types of area.
Me too. And I have seen "If you are a resident of this sim and want this land, IM me and I will lower the price". In fact, i have done that myself to give neighbors first crack over ad cutters.
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10-31-2007 02:39
That would be a good theory, Eben, except that there is nothing to stop the new purchaser just selling it again - as often happens.

Not all 'land barons' look like such, and many people will buy land they think is a bargain with intention to resell.

Seems to me they are making life harder for themselves.