permissions questions

1. What's the difference between "share with group" and "deed to group"? And why, once an object is deeded to the group, are most of its edit parameters grayed out? (can't change textures, etc.) Once deeded to group, can an object be un-deeded? If so, how?

2. What is the meaning of "no object entry" in land permissions? Does that mean Trout can't fly his biplane across my borders?

share with group means you still own it, but choose to share it with other group members

deed means you are giving ownership to the group it's self, and the permissions will be the ones that are shown as next owner, so if it is no mod, then deeded, it will be greyed out

yes, just return it, and it goes back to the owner who deeded it

as for no object entry that means ppl can not slide things over the border into your land
not sure about vehicles though as I do not use them

1. Sharing with group will allow the group to manipulate it/copy it (if copiable), but will not transfer ownership of the item to group. This would be useful for furniture, and allowing group members to move the furniture around, without giving up ownership.

Deeding transfers ownership to the group and has serious impact if the item is sold or receives money. Money paid into a deeded item goes to group distribution. Money paid into a shared item goes to the item owner.

2. Basically, yes, but that depends on how Trout's biplane is built - as an attachment, or something else. Rather, it stops people from pushing objects onto your land... like the noob that doesn't know how to use the sliders and pushes his new SexGen out the window at 3.75 degree angle. You'd be doing him a favor if you were his neighbor, because then his stuff wouldn't end up halfway across the sim.

"Share with group" allows others in the group to do stuff to the object. They can even Take it, so this is often just a temporary setting (for objects, anyway). Deeding to group means just what it sounds like: the Group becomes the new Owner of the object, and all the "Next Owner Permissions" are applied. Since nobody is the actual Group, nobody can edit the object, just like you can't edit somebody else's objects normally. If those "next owner" permissions included Transfer, then it's possible for the deeded object to be set "Shared" as well as Deeded, and then Taken back... but all the perms will be those of "Next Owner", not the original owner. (As Rhaorth mentions, you can also Return the object if it's on a parcel for which you have object permissions--but still, those Next Owner permission have already been applied, irreversibly, as-of the time it was Deeded to Group)

As for no-object entry: yeah, it prevents "alien" stuff from even entering the parcel (whereas auto-return gets rid of it after it arrives). So, if you're in a high-crime neighborhood ( ), you can prevent those stray physical bullets from getting in. I'm pretty sure it has a height limit, though, so that flying vehicles can get around.

It doesn't have a height limit luckily, although you can still get prims onto a parcel with no object entry/creation if you're determined enough.

Okay. I knew I shoulda paid more attention to the great balloon vs bi-plane debates. So, the Knowledge Base saith: So, apparently Trout can still do the Red Baron bit. I guess the height limit thing is for white-list access restrictions (50m above ground level)... and apparently the blacklist restrictions stop at 768 above ground level, whereas I always thought they went to infinity. And no-scripts is supposed to go to 45m above ground, according to the LSL wiki. (Could this be any more confusing? I shudder to think what the sim code must look like to enforce all these special cases.)

Don't worry, Lindal. I'll crash and burn long before I make it to your borders.

Oh, I knew that. I was just using your plane as an example.

In fact, pushing your plane in front of you is more the way I'd expect you to arrive. Maybe I should leave object entry turned on, after all.

I'm only pushing it because I can't afford gas! You'd think that when we went to war, we would have chosen a country with better oil reserves for us to pillage and one with much less of an ability to host any sort of opposition force. I should be getting my gas for free. I pay taxes for this war, after all.

(Note to everyone reading this: I'm kidding - except about the part where I can't afford gas. Please don't send any hate mail. It was a harmless little joke. If you do insist on being mortally offended, please keep in mind that all flaming and hatred should be directed to the following address:

Chris Norse
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