Group of Landlords to send a warning about a scam artist in SL?

Is there a group of landlords that is used to communicate the names of scam artists cheating people with fake land deals?

I have a couple that thinks they bought an open space sim with 7000 prims and $US30.00 tier. They paid this thief $US93.00 for it..

I hate people like that.. LL can't do anything about it. So banning these people and giving other a heads up would be nice.

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LL could do something about it - Open Space can't be bought by just anyone, has to be someone with a region. Whilst they refuse to get embroiled in resident disputes this is a criminal act being perpetrated - and the buck has to stop somewhere, presumably with whoever owns the region/s held in order to be eligible for Open Space. LL should therefore be fully prepared to provide information directly to the police should the victim wish to lodge a complaint.

HOWEVER - caveat emptor. I never cease to be amazed at what people will put their money into blindly (such as where I work they'll deposit money without reading the Terms and Conditions of play ... craziness). I'm lucky in that I had someone I knew was 1000% reliable when I wanted an Open Space sim, but looking at the options out there before I got one I was not comfortable with any of the companies from cold (didn't see any scammers having said that).

Sort of OT, but can you actually own an openspaces sim without owning a regular sim? Like, can you buy it from someone who bought it to go along with their original regular sim, and now want to ditch it?

Yes you can.. lots of places sell them.

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You can buy the parcel, but you do not become the estate owner. The parcel is, like any other estate parcel, subject to reclamation by the estate owner.

And to answer the original question, try SL Landlords. IM Aquarius Paravane.

I am not sure I understand. Why would someone think an open-space sim has 7000 prims when they could clearly see it doesn't? And surely no one would buy land without seeing it first.

You have a couple? Again, not sure what that means. Friends? Renters?

Finally - what is the theft bit? Did they not get the land to rent? People pay to rent land quite often so I am not sure exactly what was wrong here apart from their not noicing the prim count.

I personally feel that the Lindens should tighten up land rental a lot, I have to say. The fact that someone can just change a covenant, take land back etc makes it all very worrying for potential renters. Sure, one can say 'stick to the reputable estates' but for newer people that isn't something they know about.

Until renters are in some way accountable, it is something that makes SL look very bad, IMHO.

Region bonus prim limit set to double and I guess that would suggest that the land supported more than 3750 prims to those who don't know about such things.





Well the reclaim land and changing of covenant can be useful in certain circumstances, as we see on mainland Linden Lab change the rules when certain situations arise and reclaim plots. Those powers do not automatically equal abuse, however tenants should have more in the way of rights. If someone is evicted during their tenancy, they should at the least receive a refund on their land unless the reason for their eviction is that they have somehow caused financial damage to others on the sim.

Yes and no, there are plenty of estate owners like myself that will sell open space sims with estate manager rights so you can create your own convonant reclaim restart (very important for openspace sims to get rid of some forms of lag) etc. but the estate owner will always be the one paying LL, there is no way around this, LL simply does not alow anyone who does not own a regular sim to own an openspace sim.

if they did a lot estates will feel the pain, afterall 1/4 mainland sim costs the same (roughly) as a openspace sim and has the same number of prims, a 1/4 sim on estate and openspace sim leased from an estate owner costs a bit more, afterall you pay for the service and advice you get from estate owners.

back on topic:
I have banned scam artists on my estate at a smaller scale, a often seen practice is to buy land with a 1L$ reservation and then try to resell it for 1000 L$ promising no or very low tier, ofcourse without paying the tier to the estate owner, luckely I haven't had one for a few months, just a few squaters paying the 1 L$ and not pay the tier.

I can't speak for others but when I evict someone it is either because the let their tier expire so there is nothing to refund or they are evicted because they effected the preformance or estatics of the sim and refuse to make the needed changes, in essence cause financial dammage to the others on the sim because those others didn't get what they payed for, I should also note that in the current market it is rare that land gets sold before the period is over that was left on the tier so the estate owner loses out on evicting, offcourse there are exceptions on like highly themed sims like desmonds estate but even he will not evict unless it's effecting the other residents negativly.

Thanks... that's what I was wondering.

It's a pet peeve of mine that people tell you or advertize that they are "selling" Estate land or OpenSpaces or entire Sims to you when in fact unless you are paying the Tier directly to Linden Labs you are just renting... at best it should be considered a Lease.

And its often not well explained that it *is* only a rental agreement that can be terminated at any time by the true landowner.

Even mainland is under these conditions. The selling thing is a quirk, I sell estate land for one week rent, I put it in the parcel name and description that it's land for rent. It's a handy feature on estate land, no group invite needed for example. Obviously I can't do that with my mainland.

So.... silly question... why couldn't I buy a brand new Open Space sim from LL? Does anyone know why it's a requirement that I own a regular sim first before ordering an OS sim?

Have to ask the Lindens that one.

OpenSpace was originally started so Island owners could have 'open space' for their island.

if you are offered a open space sim for sale you are not buying it, your simply renting it from the person who pays tier to LL. Many attempt to hide this reality by saying "Well, you never really own land in SL if you have to pay tier" I say 'wrong' the tier is more akin to taxes and utilities, everyone pays them.

Weel, when I say a couple I mean a man and his partner. The thief showed them a falsified letter supposedly from me authorizing her to sell an open space sim parcel. She asked for 25,000L and promised them a very low tier with 7000 prims. Now these folks did not read the covenant and were not savy enough to know that 7000 prims in an open space sim is impossible. So they thouth they were getting a good deal and paid her the 25,000.

So they were left with no land and short 25,000. I am trying to help them out and ARd the scam artist for falsifying the letter... but I am not holding my breath.

I hope that makes the situation clearer Elgyfu..

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