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Keira Wells

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07-13-2008 21:41

Was checking out the police blotter, and saw 'Intolerance' as a reason for punishment.

What exactly counts as intolerance? It probably says in the ToS but I'm lazy atm...

Does me saying 'those damn furries' put me at risk of bannage? (I love furries btw)

Or would it have to be to the extent of something like griefing every furry I see just because they are furries?

Just curious really, I'm proud to say that I'm generally not prejudiced. (We all have our moments)

So yeah.. what's the deal?

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Conifer Dada

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07-14-2008 01:23

Could be an 'SL condemner'. You know, the sort who comes into SL just to challenge us all and tell us we're pathetic. That would be intolerance.

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Rebecca Proudhon

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07-14-2008 01:45

People complaining that Mitch Kapor called residents "marginal and dispossessed." and vill be banned!

Seriously "Intolerance," refers to racial slurs, ethnic slurs, gay bashing, etc.

Nuno McCullough

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Join date: 28 Dec 2007

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07-14-2008 02:04

Who's Mitch? lololol

@Rebecca, you're right, sexual/racial/religious discriminations are reasons for punishment... not only on SL but on every civilized country

AfroduckFromPC Brim

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07-14-2008 03:22

Intolerance unfortunately is a vast grey area subject to bias and some inconsistencies no matter how careful you are.

A couple weeks back I had assembled a cube with the Hitler Rave script (basically a crude animation of Hitler dancing under a disco ball) in Sandbox Island and hadn't bothered to delete it. I later discovered a 1-day ban for "Intolerance". I could understand if I'd been assembling swastikas or if it was reported as an annoyance. But this script is making fun of Hitler, not supporting him. Only people I can imagine being offended are actual Nazis. I've asked many people and none of them found it offensive so I don't know what happened there. Fortunately I'd gotten settled into SL enough not to get (too) discouraged about the pettiness and just went on with things once the ban was over.

Now to address the OP, expressing personal opinions as opinions is free speech and protected (most of the time). Saying "I hate those damn furries" isn't going to result in a ban but isn't likely to win you many friends either. Phrasing it as "All those damn furries are [censored]" or something similar could certainly cause you problems; it becomes more a direct attack on a specific group than simply expressing your personal dislike.

Tod69 Talamasca

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07-14-2008 03:38

Funny thing is, SL has taught me MORE about tolerance than anything.

I love the Furry community! I'm not a Furry but they have every right to be as they wish.

I'm not a fan of Gorean Society, but they have every right to do as they wish! (Just dont collar me, or we're gonna go a few rounds!

)

As for other Normal-RL stuff- I'm tolerant of it as well.

I dont care if you're black, white, asian, gay, straight, male, female, fat, thin, blond, brunette, old, young, N00b or Oldbie, PC or Mac. I might tease ya about it, but then again I like to kid about stuff.

"Be Good To One Another"

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Travis Lambert

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07-14-2008 04:29

Saying "Those damn Furries!" may get you ejected from a Furry area, but that sort of comment isn't a TOS violation for intolerance.

For an example of TOS-bannable intolerance, please consult the following South Park clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc3dwaxBTEU

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07-14-2008 05:32

From: Nuno McCullough

Who's Mitch? lololol

@Rebecca, you're right, sexual/racial/religious discriminations are reasons for punishment... not only on SL but in every tyrannical country

There fixed that for you.

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Xplorer Cannoli

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07-14-2008 05:45

SL intolerant of intolerance?

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07-14-2008 05:46

I have not data to support this except my own limited observations. It seems to me that this punishment is most likely to happen when intolerance is expressed in a public area. For example, standing at Help Island Public saying saying how much you hate so-and-so and how they should all be banned from SL... on the police blotter, check the region. I'll bet that region contains a welcome area, a sandbox, a telehub, or a help area.

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Keira Wells Blender Sculptor Join date: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 2,371	07-13-2008 21:41 Was checking out the police blotter, and saw 'Intolerance' as a reason for punishment. What exactly counts as intolerance? It probably says in the ToS but I'm lazy atm... Does me saying 'those damn furries' put me at risk of bannage? (I love furries btw) Or would it have to be to the extent of something like griefing every furry I see just because they are furries? Just curious really, I'm proud to say that I'm generally not prejudiced. (We all have our moments) So yeah.. what's the deal? _____________________ Tutorials for Sculpties using Blender! Http://www.youtube.com/user/BlenderSL
Conifer Dada Hiya m'dooks! Join date: 6 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,716	07-14-2008 01:23 Could be an 'SL condemner'. You know, the sort who comes into SL just to challenge us all and tell us we're pathetic. That would be intolerance. _____________________
Rebecca Proudhon (TM) Join date: 3 May 2006 Posts: 1,686	07-14-2008 01:45 People complaining that Mitch Kapor called residents "marginal and dispossessed." and vill be banned! Seriously "Intolerance," refers to racial slurs, ethnic slurs, gay bashing, etc.
Nuno McCullough PixelDolls' wholesaler Join date: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 275	07-14-2008 02:04 Who's Mitch? lololol @Rebecca, you're right, sexual/racial/religious discriminations are reasons for punishment... not only on SL but on every civilized country
AfroduckFromPC Brim Registered User Join date: 18 Apr 2008 Posts: 133	07-14-2008 03:22 Intolerance unfortunately is a vast grey area subject to bias and some inconsistencies no matter how careful you are. A couple weeks back I had assembled a cube with the Hitler Rave script (basically a crude animation of Hitler dancing under a disco ball) in Sandbox Island and hadn't bothered to delete it. I later discovered a 1-day ban for "Intolerance". I could understand if I'd been assembling swastikas or if it was reported as an annoyance. But this script is making fun of Hitler, not supporting him. Only people I can imagine being offended are actual Nazis. I've asked many people and none of them found it offensive so I don't know what happened there. Fortunately I'd gotten settled into SL enough not to get (too) discouraged about the pettiness and just went on with things once the ban was over. Now to address the OP, expressing personal opinions as opinions is free speech and protected (most of the time). Saying "I hate those damn furries" isn't going to result in a ban but isn't likely to win you many friends either. Phrasing it as "All those damn furries are [censored]" or something similar could certainly cause you problems; it becomes more a direct attack on a specific group than simply expressing your personal dislike.
Tod69 Talamasca The Human Tripod ;) Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,107	07-14-2008 03:38 Funny thing is, SL has taught me MORE about tolerance than anything. I love the Furry community! I'm not a Furry but they have every right to be as they wish. I'm not a fan of Gorean Society, but they have every right to do as they wish! (Just dont collar me, or we're gonna go a few rounds! ) As for other Normal-RL stuff- I'm tolerant of it as well. I dont care if you're black, white, asian, gay, straight, male, female, fat, thin, blond, brunette, old, young, N00b or Oldbie, PC or Mac. I might tease ya about it, but then again I like to kid about stuff. "Be Good To One Another" _____________________ really pissy & mean right now and NOT happy with Life.
Travis Lambert White dog, red collar Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,819	07-14-2008 04:29 Saying "Those damn Furries!" may get you ejected from a Furry area, but that sort of comment isn't a TOS violation for intolerance. For an example of TOS-bannable intolerance, please consult the following South Park clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc3dwaxBTEU _____________________ ------------------ The Shelter The Shelter is a non-profit recreation center for new residents, and supporters of new residents. Our goal is to provide a positive & supportive social environment for those looking for one in our overwhelming world.
Chris Norse Loud Arrogant Redneck Join date: 1 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,735	07-14-2008 05:32 From: Nuno McCullough Who's Mitch? lololol @Rebecca, you're right, sexual/racial/religious discriminations are reasons for punishment... not only on SL but in every tyrannical country There fixed that for you. _____________________ I'm going to pick a fight William Wallace, Braveheart “Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind” Douglas MacArthur FULL
Xplorer Cannoli Cache Cleaner Join date: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 1,131	07-14-2008 05:45 SL intolerant of intolerance? _____________________ Region Names for a Themed Shopping Experience: New Region: Gifts Accessories, Art, Avatars, Cars, Clothes, Clothing, Fashion, Fashions, Furnishings, Furniture, Gadgets, Games, Gifts, Hair, Jewellery, Jewelry, Mall, Men, Money, Music, Pets, Shoes, Shopping, Skin, Skins, Something, Women, X Attractions: Explore our new park at HOME New Racetrack at CAR WEAPONS Region Now Open!
Nicolas Biddle Registered User Join date: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 48	07-14-2008 05:46 I have not data to support this except my own limited observations. It seems to me that this punishment is most likely to happen when intolerance is expressed in a public area. For example, standing at Help Island Public saying saying how much you hate so-and-so and how they should all be banned from SL... on the police blotter, check the region. I'll bet that region contains a welcome area, a sandbox, a telehub, or a help area.