Strange Security Orb Question

So I have a new plot of 512 land. When I was checking out the land prior to purchase I noticed that if I crossed onto the neighbor's land (not intentionally, I was flying around to view the property lines) I received the "leave or be ejected" orb warning.

Ok...we have an orb in our skybox so I understand and respect privacy. I have no intention of abusing that and in fact sent a "Hi, I'm your new neighbor" notecard to the person listed as the owner of the house on the adjacent property, hoping to establish good neighbor relationships early on.

I purchase the land. I was walking around the edges of the property line to get an idea where I wanted to place things. I could walk right up to the edges of my property and not get the warning...as it should be.

The next day we placed a sand-textured platform on my land so I could start building. (The plot is underwater land.) Later that day I returned and when I walked to the edge of the platform, I got the neighbor's security warning. Thinking that I had placed the platform over the property line by mistake, I went under the platform to check, but it was within my property lines.

Made a note to check that later as I needed to log, set a tp in point in the middle of my property and left.

Logged in later...tp'd to my property and got the orb warning....*in the middle of my property!!*

I've seen posts on the forum about orbs set that overextend property lines, but the odd thing about this was - first I only got the warning when I actually stepped on the neighbor's property - then after purchasing the land, I got it when I was on the edges....and later....in the middle of my property!

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Ok, went home and wrote a polite letter to the same woman to whom I had sent the "I'm your new neighbor" letter, explained the situation and asked her to please readjust her orb.

Next time I went to my property...no warning. Ahhh, great!

Until my partner arrived and HE got the warning.

We checked the neighbor's land stats and saw that the land is owned by a group. We can only see two visible members of the group. There are also two people listed on their "white list" and three on their "black list." (We aren't on it.)

Since I had received no reply from either of my notes, I joined one of the groups the neighbor is in and saw she has not logged in since 4/18/08.

Hmmm.

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It gets weirder. My partner and I no longer get the orb warnings, but I brought a friend over yesterday to show her my land...and SHE got the warning. We were in the middle of my property so I told her to just stay there and see what happened. Nothing. This made me curious so after she left, I logged on an alt, tp'd over and got the warning...but, as with my friend...nothing happened.

To test this oddity further....I walked my alt slightly over the neighbor's property line, got the warning again, stood there...and still wasn't ejected.

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Has anyone heard about orbs that issue warnings with no follow up? Or that mysteriously issue warnings when they hadn't the day before. Or that quit "warning" one person but then warns new people to the land?

And keep in mind, this is all ON MY OWN LAND!

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Open to suggestions on how to proceed. I never see anyone over there. In fact I set a visitor counter on the corner intersection of our properties to see if anyone is ever there...nada so far.

If this was going to be my home...it wouldn't be as big a deal. But I am putting my shop there and I DEFINITELY don't want a rogue security orb scaring people away.

AR the orb.

Under what category? And do the Lindens take action on stuff like this?

Indeed, it may be a scripted object and not a real orb. But if it's got a seonsor and spamming messages into your land thenit needs to be dealt with

Harassment. If nothing else, it's text/dialog spam.

Thanks Beezle and Mort...heading in world to AR now.

This is getting stranger by the minute.

Since my main doesn't get the security warning anymore, I took an alt to the land so I could get the blue drop down box for the AR photo. (A different alt than I took the other day.) No warning.

Logged on with the alt who *did* get the warning yesterday. This time no warning.

This is a really odd script if no one is manually messing with it.

If your neighbor built his security orb himself, this problem could be easily avoided by performing a llOverMyLand() check.

If you haven't already, I'd contact your neighbor, and explain to them that their security orb is sending messages to folks outside of the boundries of their own land. Perhaps even suggest to them the above, and insert an llOverMyLand() check.

If they purchased this orb somewhere, let them know in the friendliest way possible that its causing a disruption for your guests on your own parcel, and if they don't fix the problem (either by contacting the creator for help, or removing the orb alltogether) you'll have to instruct your visitors to file abuse reports on the offending object for spam.

Also keep in mind that the orb might very wel be trying to eject you but fails because a script can only eject if the object it is in is owned by the same person or deeded to the same group as that owns the parcel the target is on.
I have helped a number of residents on my estate that had the problem of securety systems warning but not ejecting, if all fails I lent them my own securety system that is a 2 part system, a copy/trans ejecter and a copy scanner, that way they can deed the ejecter to their group and my scanner wil simply talk to it without me having to transfer/deed my scanner to them. this scanner also has the option to limit scanning to the parcel so it won't spam someone passing by the land.

Sounds like instead of getting a real security orb, the neighbor did this:
(script that says something only once to each avatar in range)

///
list recent_avatars;

add_avatar(string name) {
if(!seen(name)) {
recent_avatars += name;
if (llGetListLength(recent_avatars) > 25) {
recent_avatars = llDeleteSubList(recent_avatars,0,0);
}
}
}
integer seen(string name) {
if(llListFindList(recent_avatars,[name]) > -1) { return TRUE; }
return FALSE;
}


default
{

state_entry() {
llSensorRepeat("", NULL_KEY, AGENT, 25, PI, 5);
}
sensor(integer total_number) {
if(!seen(llDetectedName(0))) {

llSay(0,"Security warning";

add_avatar(llDetectedName(0));
}
}

}

I have one of Psykes security orbs and it has to set up a certain way to work correctly on group owned land. If it is not set up right, it will just send the warnings and never act on them.

Also, the radius of detection can be made smaller so as not to cross over your borders....OR...the radius of detection can be set up to not cross over neighbors borders (as mentioned earlier in this thread)


so, I imagine this security orb that you are dealing with is either a Psyke or something close to it.
...either way, the person who set it up doesn't know what they are doing....all they are doing is adding your name to the allowed avatar list.

I know that my question is only related because it's about security systems, but anyway, here is the question:

Imagine that I have a 2 or 3 storie building, and on the 1st floor I open a shop and on the last floor my private studio... Is there a way of puting a security orb only for the last floor or would the shop be also "protected" by that orb?

Nuno, yes, some security devices let you define a "rectangle" that will be protected. Essentially, you are specifying a top corner and the farthest bottom corner in order to define the space. This is useful for protecting apartments or in situations like you describe.

Off the top of my head, the Hippo security system lets you do that. I can't remember if Psyke added that to the last update of the security orb or not, and I'm not inworld to look. I'm sure there are others. But it's a feature that isn't included in all security systems, so you need to check before assuming it is available in any given product.l

several allow you to set coordinates for a volume that it watches

don't use any, but I know there are many out there with that option

Thanks so much for your info Travis



I know a tiny bit about scripts but it would fit in an ant's brain. Is this a script I could use to check if the neighbor's orb is seeping over onto my land...or....am I misunderstanding this script altogether?



I sent a notecard to the person who is listed on the drop-down orb menu, but she has not been online under that nick since 4/18/08 so not even sure if she received my notecard. (It was polite and friendly )



The trouble with having visitors filing abuse reports is that I'm going to use the land for my shop and putting up a sign saying - "If you receive a security warning while shopping, please AR it" just doesn't sound right. I could invite various friends over during the next week and have each of them AR it.

Any volunteers?

That's an interesting script...thanks for another idea of what this could be. And makes sense as no one has ever gotten ejected. Of course if it's not set to the group as Abigail said, that could be the issue as well.

Sheesh...why would someone go to the trouble of putting out a script that warns of ejection but does nothing?

If the person hasn't been on since April, it's likely your IM's and notecards are just vanishing because their IM's are capped.

I didn't suggest an AR out of spite -- if the person hasn't logged in, the only way to get it dealt with is to get a Linden over there.

Good point. Was trying the diplomatic route first. I had two friends over today who got the warning and they both entered an AR.

I sent one more note to the MIA orb owner as well as the two people who are listed as "allowed" on the land hoping if one of them gets the note, maybe they can contact the owner.

At any rate...it is still strange that an orb didn't send out a warning before I owned the land, nor the couple days before I put a building on it. And then only once per AV.

*Still pondering that one*

I got a reply back from one of the residents on the orb owner's "allowed list." He said the orb owner hasn't been on for awhile due to RL and not sure when she will be back and to "have SL turn it off." I assume he meant to AR it, which I had already done.

Asked a friend who had not been to my land previously to come over to see if she got the warning. No warning on my land AND none on the orb owner's land when we walked over to see if it had been scaled back or turned off.

Whoever was responsible for that - Lindens, owner or one of her friends, whomever...THANK YOU!

(And thank you all for your responses and suggestions!)