Would you tell?

A little while back, a 512 in my region of mainland was abandoned and reverted to Governor Linden. It was left with build on and auto return off. Some squatters found it and built a skybox up out of sight. Since there is a lot of protected land that belongs to Linden in the region, the little plot can hold 2500 prims. When I first discovered this it was a cute little skybox, well decorated. Now it has become a stack of cluttered boxes using 1000 prims.
I have always had a live and let live attitude and I have not made up my mind to do anything about this yet. My question is Would you tell? Have you had any previous experience with situations like this?

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If people want to operate below the radar then they have to be wise enough to keep a low profile. If they are up there making a mess then they deserve to be shut down. Just right click the build and AR.


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I see two options on how to handle this and one is to AR, while the other is to go to Live Chat on the support portal and talk to a Linden there to see if one can come and clean out the prims.

Imagine the prim owner coming back to find their wittle skybox gone.

I would tell, mainly because I pay for my land and my prim use and I think it's pretty damn shady for someone to abuse being able to do what you have stated.

Sounds more like the squatter had a not so nice "friend" and they got squatted upon, with no power to return the items.

If that isn't an argument to buy your own land, I don't know what else is.

If it's an eyesore, I'd report it.

In a nearby sim, there used to be some Linden land that was build enabled and no auto return. There was a bunch of junk on it. Next door, there's a bunch of ad farms. I built tall screens on the land to cover the junk. While I was doing that, one of the neighbors asked what I was doing and I told him. He didn't have a problem with it. I told him if he wanted it down or changed, I would do so no problem. I didn't report it because the screens I built were helping to block the view of some of the ads. It's been reported now though. The screens are down, the ads are in wide open view, and the land is/will be up for auction. I don't consider that squatting since I didn't build a home there but that's about as close as I've seen.

As for your case, I wouldn't be inclined to report that. If they're not bothering me, I'm not going to bother them. Live and let live as you said. But, if the build or people start causing problems for you, then certainly report it.

BTW, in case it matters, I am a land owner myself with about half a sim's worth.

--Hugsy

If I found a bit of land next to mine left open-build, I'd be tempted to rez a neat pack of miniature cubes or spheres to take up all the prim allowance. It would be unobtrusive but still findable so it would be easy for the owner to delete.

I don't see what part of the Terms of Service or Community Standards that this violates.

@ Amity

According the the OP, these squatters are on Abandoned Land, but are using prims from Protected Land. That means that they are using resources from the Protected Land.

From the Knowledge Base: "Land that is owned by Governor Linden and named "Protected Land" will not generally be sold to Residents or terraformed. Reasons for making land Protected vary, but a common one is that land can be Protected in order to hold pathways, canals, or flight paths open.
Can I build on Protected land?
You can try, but do so with the understanding that whatever you've built on it, if you can build there at all, may be removed if we notice it (or if someone complains about it). Protected land is called "protected" for a reason."

I'd report 'em.

Well, that goes to show how much I know about the rules of Second Life.

When I wanted to know if this could be ARed, I checked the "Guide to Filing an Abuse Report" (https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=3989) stating that "Abuse is when anyone violates the Terms of Service (TOS) or the Community Standards (CS)." Then I read the TOS and CS, and couldn't find the violation.

But then the cited article on Protected Land does invite an Abuse Report for the actions described in the original post.

OF course, then I'd have to wonder why there would be free build and auto-return on so much Governor Linden land (I've never seen Gov. Linden land that didn't have free build and auto-return). It seems like Linden Lab is creating a lot of extra work for itself by inviting the ugly builds and the ARs to remove them...

But if you want to get rid of it, as long as you're allowed to AR it, yes, then do it. No reason not to. If the builder wants to save that particular arrangement of boxes, then the builder should have remembered to keep a copy of it in inventory to rez on the next piece of Gov. Linden land.

Edit: Actually, apparently one wouldn't use an AR to do this, but a support ticket, according to https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=4350. "For Governor Linden land where there doesn't appear to be any autoreturn set, please submit a support ticket informing us of the situation."

if it's not bothering you, infringing upon you, and only cluttered in a place you never really go (except to spy), i say don't worry about it. or, use the remaining 1000 for yourself if you feel cheated. either way, it's not really your concern.

I have been known to fill up Linden land with invisible/phantom prims in a sim I live in, if I notice autoreturn is not on. It prevents this problem proactively.

I would request a cleanup, also. but be aware its going to take awhile

Hwang had huge mega prim in sky rezzed by some unknown person that didn't belong to anyone that lived there, my friend reported it and it was gone that day or within hours.
I think it depends on how busy they are at the moment with other things.
/FD real self goes attends to his real life body, he got invite to concert tonight.

I do this if the neighbour has not set their parcel to auto-return, and doesnt respond to my IM enquiry (usually because they're not inworld anymore). I just rez as many tiny prims as needed, link them into bundles and pop them underground out of view. The owners when they return have all been kool with this.

LL won't change the auto-return settings, not for me anyway, they just return the junk when asked. So rather than bother them, I'm into auto-filling =)

I wonder why a 512 is allowing someone to rezz 1000 prims there without an error message... How do I get MY land to let me do that? (oh pleeeeeeease?)

By default, the settings on your land show the prim limit for all the land you own in a region added together. Some people buy "prim land"--patches on which they don't intend to build merely to add to the prim count of their main parcel. The parcel in question is owned by Gov. Linden, who also owns all the Protected Linden Land. The OP stated that there is a lot of Protected Land in the region.

Some of the surrounding owners will put up Linden plants and whatnot on the Linden Roads, so maybe it serves a purpose, but as I said on another thread, near my last property there is a high wall that blocks most of the road and LL simply does not respond to the AR. Perhaps there should be a setting to only permit Linden plants or something.

When I owned property, I sometimes wished there was an option to have the ground open up and suck the objects away permanently. I once had someone that built his ship on my property at least four times over a week. I didn't want to send the last one back, I wanted to obliterate it with shock waves singeing and possibly frying the owner avatar, preferably with a small resulting mushroom cloud on the horizon. Not that I was annoyed or anything...