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Naomi000Brea Tachikawa
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03-11-2008 10:38
I have been dealing with some ad farm issues around my land on the mainland. I was extremely happy and grateful when I finally saw a Linden show up to take care of it. But... guess what really happened or what they see as "issue resolved." They merely took off the ad boxes and That's ALL!!

My question is that if

"Using content, particularly advertising, to deliberately and negatively affect another resident’s view so as to sell a parcel for an unreasonable price, will be deemed unacceptable and dealt with as a violation of our community standards."

is really a violation of our community standards, aren't they supposed to do something to fix this?
Carl Metropolitan
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03-11-2008 10:51
The adfarm issue is merely resting. LL's change in policy, while a decent first step, is very likely not to solve the problem. Huge (though reduced) numbers of ad plots remain--just not for sale. Lots of 16m2 plots with ugly spinning "for sale" signs also have not been affected. Additionally, some adfarmers have struck back against critics with ad plots (again not for sale so as to fall within the letter of the law), located near the homes or businesses of their critics.

I believe the Lindens are hoping that the cost of maintaining tier on adfarms and adfarm-based grief builds will be too much for the adfarmers to continue to bear based on their revenue from ads alone, and that the problem will correct itself over the next few months.

I'm not nearly so certain. And at the very least, the retaliatory adfarms need to be hit back at hard by LL.
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03-11-2008 10:54
So what content is left, now that the ads are gone?
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03-11-2008 10:56
From: Naomi000Brea Tachikawa
I have been dealing with some ad farm issues around my land on the mainland. I was extremely happy and grateful when I finally saw a Linden show up to take care of it. But... guess what really happened or what they see as "issue resolved." They merely took off the ad boxes and That's ALL!!

My question is that if

"Using content, particularly advertising, to deliberately and negatively affect another resident’s view so as to sell a parcel for an unreasonable price, will be deemed unacceptable and dealt with as a violation of our community standards."

is really a violation of our community standards, aren't they supposed to do something to fix this?


I don't understand the problem. Do you just need the land? How is your view impacted by an empty plot for sale?
Bradley Bracken
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03-11-2008 10:58
Many ad farmers quickly took their land off the market to comply with the new standards, but what are they going to do now? They probably aren't sure themselves. Some may try to attempt to be legitimate advertisers and earn money for the signs that have, but how many of these can SL support? With time you'll see many of these dry up and blow away. They'll either sell their land or abandon it. There's always going to be advertisers around but you'll see the numbers diminish with time. You're just going to have to be patient.

If it's just empty plots you're worried about. Why? They could be around forever if the person wants to continue paying tier. There's no rules against leaving a plot of land empty, no matter how big or small.
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03-11-2008 11:02
I will echo the sentiment: how does an empty plot hurt you? Stop making mountains out of molehills. If it goes up for sale at a decent rate, great! If not, so what?
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Naomi000Brea Tachikawa
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03-11-2008 11:03
With the fact that ad farms are still technically allowed "advertising is allowed" the remaining empty plots for sale pose threats on nearby communities of becoming another eyesore/adfarm. I dare ask "How does this not affect us?". Someone leaving a pile of garbage in front of your door right on the edge of their property does not affect you?
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03-11-2008 11:03
I'm hoping it's a slow death by strangulation as they can't make money advertising, can't pay their tier and can't sell for ridiculous prices. Their intent was always to sell at ridiculously inflated prices, anyway. What a bunch of scumbags. Their tactic of abusing neighbors into buying was so repulsive. Karma can be a bitch.

Actually, I realized a flaw in the plan that might work to get them back into business, but I'm not posting it here. If I were an ad-farmer, I know what I'd do, though. I'm not helping them figure it out, though.
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03-11-2008 11:05
I hate advertising. But if a bona fide advertiser is going to operate, I am not going to stop them. Most people, however, don't make any money from this and they eventually go away. Be patient and don't let it get under your skin.
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03-11-2008 11:05
From: Naomi000Brea Tachikawa
With the fact that ad farms are still technically allowed "advertising is allowed" the remaining empty plots for sale pose threats on nearby communities of becoming another eyesore/adfarm. I dare ask "How does this not affect us?". Someone leaving a pile of garbage in front of your door right on the edge of their property does not affect you?


Garbage is just as much against the policy as ads are. Umnik never had one single ad, and he is pretty much history, as far as I've seen.

Give them time to choke on tier. Besides, it's fun to watch!
Alice Katayama
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03-11-2008 11:06
I count on economics being the solution to this problem, a huge part of the market to the ad farmers was extorting vastly inflated prices from people to get rid of the ads. There will always be ads, but right now there are way more than the economy will support.

I too say give it some time, let the farmers choke on their teir and wait them out.
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Bradley Bracken
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03-11-2008 11:07
From: Naomi000Brea Tachikawa
With the fact that ad farms are still technically allowed "advertising is allowed" the remaining empty plots for sale pose threats on nearby communities of becoming another eyesore/adfarm. I dare ask "How does this not affect us?". Someone leaving a pile of garbage in front of your door right on the edge of their property does not affect you?


So you want LL to go a step further and restrict all advertising? I don't think you'll find many agree with that sentiment. It'd be much harder to control. If I choose to put a big sign on my land then what business is it of yours? Sure, you may say it's ugly but that may be true of the crappy house I built. As long as I'm not doing it to extort money from you, you don't have to like it but maybe I think the builds you have are unsightly as well.

I also have to ask "what pile of garbage?" You stated everything had been removed from the plot.

I'm not totally unsympathetic here. I despised the ad farmers. I'm just not understanding what you want.
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Naomi000Brea Tachikawa
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03-11-2008 11:10
Oh I really really hope they will all choke on tier eventually...

Hmm indeed nearly everything has been removed from the plot except that it's still lots of little rectangles up for sale at high prices. What I am seeing is that it could still become another ad farm just not for sale any more.
Bradley Bracken
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03-11-2008 11:11
From: Avion Raymaker
Umnik never had one single ad, and he is pretty much history, as far as I've seen.


Don't be so sure. His profile says "I'll be back!"

LOL
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03-11-2008 11:17
From: Naomi000Brea Tachikawa
Oh I really really hope they will all choke on tier eventually...

Hmm indeed nearly everything has been removed from the plot except that it's still lots of little rectangles up for sale at high prices. What I am seeing is that it could still become another ad farm just not for sale any more.


No, even the ad farmers are too smart for that. They buy cheap and sell high, not buy high and loose money. right now they are in a vice as most of their income stream has been cut off.
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Naomi000Brea Tachikawa
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03-11-2008 11:19
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No, even the ad farmers are too smart for that. They buy cheap and sell high, not buy high loose money.


Thank you. :)
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03-11-2008 12:20
From: Naomi000Brea Tachikawa
With the fact that ad farms are still technically allowed "advertising is allowed" the remaining empty plots for sale pose threats on nearby communities of becoming another eyesore/adfarm. I dare ask "How does this not affect us?". Someone leaving a pile of garbage in front of your door right on the edge of their property does not affect you?


/me stares in horror.

You'd ban ADVERTISING? What, are you some sort of commie or something? Advertising is the lifeblood of a free economy!

It's the use of advertising for purposes of encouraging extortionately high land prices that the new policy was aimed at stopping.

I don't like ugly ads any more than the next person, but you've got to allow advertising. Anything else would be un-Amurrican.
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