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Benja Kepler

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08-23-2007 11:40

From an Office Hours meeting today (Aug 23) by Zero Linden, we were told that LL is to introduce OpenID for logging on to its websites, and that this will come in 'within a month'.

Has anyone experience of this approach?

Transcript of meeting will be posted here:
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Zero_...urs/2007_Aug_23

This is from my chat log:
[2007/08/23 8:19] Zero Linden: What if - we turned every Second Life avatar name into a valid OpenID ?
[2007/08/23 8:20] Zero Linden: then we could use OpenID as the way to signin to those sites, and you'd use your SL OpenID

shiney Sprocket

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08-23-2007 11:44

Will be useless to 99.9% of users and I would actually consider this a waste of time to implement.

Meade Paravane

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08-23-2007 11:53

/me unmangles the url.. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Zero_Linden/Office_Hours/2007_Aug_23

It's still not posted there yet, tho.

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Ceera Murakami

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08-23-2007 11:57

What is "OpenID"? Never heard of it.

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Meade Paravane

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08-23-2007 12:01

/me has never heard of it but wikipedia has.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openid

From: Wikipedia

OpenID is a decentralized single sign-on system. Using OpenID-enabled sites, web users do not need to remember traditional authentication tokens such as username and password. Instead, they only need to be previously registered on a website with an OpenID "identity provider", sometimes called an i-broker. Since OpenID is decentralized, any website can employ OpenID software as a way for users to sign in; OpenID solves the problem without relying on any centralized website to confirm digital identity.

Er.. Not totally convinced this is something I'm up for, tho I haven't read much more than the blurb above.

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Oryx Tempel

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08-23-2007 12:04

Well considering that someone might want to login to their SL account, JIRA, and the SL wiki all at the same time, it would less of a pain in the ass to use OpenID than to log in to each site individually...

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Meade Paravane

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08-23-2007 12:10

Yep. And though that has serious appeal to my (very large) lazy side, I kinda get a warm & fuzzy feeling by seeing stuff ask me for a password.

Maybe I need to read more on OpenId but it sounds like an off-site password manager type deal to me. I'd rather avoid using those, if I can, for anything that knows my credit card number.

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Ravenhurst Xeno

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08-23-2007 12:18

I don't know if LL plans to use it for age verification, but it could easily be used for that. Additionally the end-user should be able to choose their favorite identity broker instead of being locked into a single potentially unscrupulous broker specified by LL. Its too early to tell, but this looks like it has the potential to nicely solve some nagging and painful problems.

Cristalle Karami

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08-23-2007 12:28

Will this have any effect on bots?

Oryx Tempel

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08-23-2007 12:29

From: Cristalle Karami

Will this have any effect on bots?

*looks confused*

Why would a bot login to JIRA?

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Cristalle Karami

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08-23-2007 12:30

I asked the question because I wonder how it's going to affect multiple logins IF you have to be logged onto the website first to go inworld (as stated in another thread).

Ceera Murakami

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08-23-2007 12:31

Ummmm. And how would that system differentiate between people who share a computer to access SL? I could just see some college user hopping on to a lab system, logging in, and shortly thereafter some other student has full, unrestricted access to their account, just because they are on the same computer and knew the other student's SL name?

I'd have to know a LOT more about this app and how they intended to implement it, before I would use it.

{EDIT} I just read the full WIKI article... I don't particularly see where it buys us anything at all, unless they use an OpenID identifier to link alt accounts, or some such plan. And it still looks unnecessarily complex to me. {/EDIT}

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Raudf Fox

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08-23-2007 12:39

From: Ceera Murakami

Ummmm. And how would that system differentiate between people who share a computer to access SL? I could just see some college user hopping on to a lab system, logging in, and shortly thereafter some other student has full, unrestricted access to their account, just because they are on the same computer and knew the other student's SL name?

I'd have to know a LOT more about this app and how they intended to implement it, before I would use it.

This is also a concern of mine for the whole OpenID idea. WordPress is probably where they got the idea for it though, since it has it. Here's something I found on it http://openid.net/

Not sure I'd want to connect my SL account with say, my bills or banking, you know? But I could see the use of it for connecting my blog to my SL Avatar.

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Atashi Toshihiko

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08-23-2007 12:40

I'm always suspicious of these new-fangled labour-saving devices.

Seriously, I trust my own ability to remember and protect my user id and password; I don't trust some third-party site somewhere else to be as cautious as I am with keeping my stuff safe.

-Atashi

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Jarred Tammas

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08-23-2007 12:45

Newer versions of vBulletin (the software this board uses) are capable of handling OpenID.

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Ciaran Laval

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08-23-2007 12:48

As it's only SL related, are they talking about SL ID? I can use Open ID on Livejournal I think but I wouldn't be using it under my SL guise.

Kitty Barnett

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08-23-2007 12:58

OpenID is simply the same thing as Typepad or Passport. Instead of getting an account with 100 blogs, you get one "account" and use that to "sign" your comments.

It's useful for LiveJournal, but since SL doesn't inherently have anything to do with blogs, I don't see the point, and if it was wanted it would be trivial for a resident to run a site like that, providing the exact same thing, so LL shouldn't be wasting their time on it.

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Benja Kepler Registered User Join date: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 53	08-23-2007 11:40 From an Office Hours meeting today (Aug 23) by Zero Linden, we were told that LL is to introduce OpenID for logging on to its websites, and that this will come in 'within a month'. Has anyone experience of this approach? Transcript of meeting will be posted here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Zero_...urs/2007_Aug_23 This is from my chat log: [2007/08/23 8:19] Zero Linden: What if - we turned every Second Life avatar name into a valid OpenID ? [2007/08/23 8:20] Zero Linden: then we could use OpenID as the way to signin to those sites, and you'd use your SL OpenID
shiney Sprocket Registered User Join date: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 254	08-23-2007 11:44 Will be useless to 99.9% of users and I would actually consider this a waste of time to implement.
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	08-23-2007 11:53 /me unmangles the url.. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Zero_Linden/Office_Hours/2007_Aug_23 It's still not posted there yet, tho. _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Ceera Murakami Texture Artist / Builder Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,750	08-23-2007 11:57 What is "OpenID"? Never heard of it. _____________________ Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	08-23-2007 12:01 /me has never heard of it but wikipedia has.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openid From: Wikipedia OpenID is a decentralized single sign-on system. Using OpenID-enabled sites, web users do not need to remember traditional authentication tokens such as username and password. Instead, they only need to be previously registered on a website with an OpenID "identity provider", sometimes called an i-broker. Since OpenID is decentralized, any website can employ OpenID software as a way for users to sign in; OpenID solves the problem without relying on any centralized website to confirm digital identity. Er.. Not totally convinced this is something I'm up for, tho I haven't read much more than the blurb above. _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	08-23-2007 12:04 Well considering that someone might want to login to their SL account, JIRA, and the SL wiki all at the same time, it would less of a pain in the ass to use OpenID than to log in to each site individually... _____________________
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	08-23-2007 12:10 Yep. And though that has serious appeal to my (very large) lazy side, I kinda get a warm & fuzzy feeling by seeing stuff ask me for a password. Maybe I need to read more on OpenId but it sounds like an off-site password manager type deal to me. I'd rather avoid using those, if I can, for anything that knows my credit card number. _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Ravenhurst Xeno Consiracy with no purpose Join date: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 147	08-23-2007 12:18 I don't know if LL plans to use it for age verification, but it could easily be used for that. Additionally the end-user should be able to choose their favorite identity broker instead of being locked into a single potentially unscrupulous broker specified by LL. Its too early to tell, but this looks like it has the potential to nicely solve some nagging and painful problems.
Cristalle Karami Lady of the House Join date: 4 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,222	08-23-2007 12:28 Will this have any effect on bots?
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	08-23-2007 12:29 From: Cristalle Karami Will this have any effect on bots? looks confused Why would a bot login to JIRA? _____________________
Cristalle Karami Lady of the House Join date: 4 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,222	08-23-2007 12:30 I asked the question because I wonder how it's going to affect multiple logins IF you have to be logged onto the website first to go inworld (as stated in another thread).
Ceera Murakami Texture Artist / Builder Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,750	08-23-2007 12:31 Ummmm. And how would that system differentiate between people who share a computer to access SL? I could just see some college user hopping on to a lab system, logging in, and shortly thereafter some other student has full, unrestricted access to their account, just because they are on the same computer and knew the other student's SL name? I'd have to know a LOT more about this app and how they intended to implement it, before I would use it. {EDIT} I just read the full WIKI article... I don't particularly see where it buys us anything at all, unless they use an OpenID identifier to link alt accounts, or some such plan. And it still looks unnecessarily complex to me. {/EDIT} _____________________ Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	08-23-2007 12:39 From: Ceera Murakami Ummmm. And how would that system differentiate between people who share a computer to access SL? I could just see some college user hopping on to a lab system, logging in, and shortly thereafter some other student has full, unrestricted access to their account, just because they are on the same computer and knew the other student's SL name? I'd have to know a LOT more about this app and how they intended to implement it, before I would use it. This is also a concern of mine for the whole OpenID idea. WordPress is probably where they got the idea for it though, since it has it. Here's something I found on it http://openid.net/ Not sure I'd want to connect my SL account with say, my bills or banking, you know? But I could see the use of it for connecting my blog to my SL Avatar. _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Atashi Toshihiko Frequently Befuddled Join date: 7 Dec 2006 Posts: 1,423	08-23-2007 12:40 I'm always suspicious of these new-fangled labour-saving devices. Seriously, I trust my own ability to remember and protect my user id and password; I don't trust some third-party site somewhere else to be as cautious as I am with keeping my stuff safe. -Atashi _____________________ Visit Atashi's Art and Oddities Store and the Waikiti Motor Works at beautiful Waikiti.
Jarred Tammas Registered Something Join date: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 87	08-23-2007 12:45 Newer versions of vBulletin (the software this board uses) are capable of handling OpenID. _____________________ Jarred
Ciaran Laval Mostly Harmless Join date: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 7,951	08-23-2007 12:48 As it's only SL related, are they talking about SL ID? I can use Open ID on Livejournal I think but I wouldn't be using it under my SL guise.
Kitty Barnett Registered User Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 5,586	08-23-2007 12:58 OpenID is simply the same thing as Typepad or Passport. Instead of getting an account with 100 blogs, you get one "account" and use that to "sign" your comments. It's useful for LiveJournal, but since SL doesn't inherently have anything to do with blogs, I don't see the point, and if it was wanted it would be trivial for a resident to run a site like that, providing the exact same thing, so LL shouldn't be wasting their time on it.

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