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Jake Ansett
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09-13-2007 05:18
I purchased a Private Island from someone who has existing tenants living on the land, for which they all pretty much roundly will have 3 weeks left on rent, at the time of transfer to my name.
I would like to get a consensus from everyone on their thoughts of who's responsibilities those 3 weeks belong to?
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Atashi Toshihiko
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09-13-2007 06:22
Hard to say without knowing the full story.
Did you buy the island with full knowledge that there were tennants already there, tennants that had prepayed for a duration that would extend into your ownership? IMHO if you made the transaction with full knowledge of the situation then you bought the responsibility as well as the island - let them stay the rest of their duration then do what you want (i.e. they can pay you to renew, or if your plans don't include them, then they can move after their time is up.)
On the other hand if you purchased the island without knowing that they'd be there, or if the person who sold you the island did not make it clear that the current tennants had already paid him for a time that would extend past the transfer of ownership, then (again IMHO) the island's former owner has the responsibility, and should either refund their money or forward it to you, to cover the duration.
As I said though - without knowing the full story it's hard to offer what amounts to moral advice on the situation.
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Alicia Sautereau
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09-13-2007 07:38
all depends
if the rentals are like normal rentals, give them till their period runs out if they payed for the land and u payed full island price, the "rentals" are still his problem
this is what my idea was sell island return every one their money new owner can resell the land back if he wanted ppl could leave if they didn`t want to stay new owner could make the island private and every one go their own way
so abit more info needed
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Desmond Shang
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09-13-2007 08:07
It's more than just the 3 weeks at issue. There's also the matter of if they had any idea this was coming, and what amount of time do they have to react. In other words, fifteen minutes warning (or worse, just seeing all their stuff get returned) isn't exactly good. Who would be to blame for it really depends on the situation. Sounds like you got an island with a lot of strings attached.
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Jake Ansett
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09-13-2007 08:20
Tenants did not buy thier parcels, they are just renting. They where notified by the seller of the pending transfer of ownership seemingly (and i cannot confirm this) right after they renewed their rent. The seller was only vague with them on answering their questions about their rentals status. Then they started asking me once I made contact with them.
Keep in mind that there is a bit of a language barrier between myself and some of these residents, so i may not have the complete story.
Anyway, I have every intention of honoring their rental terms, and will not throw them out on their butts. Was just curious what the thoughts were of the seasoned people who fancy these forums...
And to the question as to whether i knew of these people in advance, the answer is yes, but I'll be honest in saying that I simply didn't think about their current rental status until they started asking me about it a few days ago. the thought just didn't occur to me...
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Ceera Murakami
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Join date: 9 Sep 2005
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09-13-2007 09:30
We've discussed this to an extent directly between you and I, but here's my thoughts on the matter.
From the tenant's standpoint: They paid for X number of days on that parcel. So reasonably they would expect to get X number of days, even if the sim changes hands. If they don't, then they would probably feel they were due a refund, or some other consideration. Since the previous sim owner was the one who got their rent payment, he would be the one who should, in my opinion, offer any such refunds. He could take it out of the funds he is being paid for the sim.
I had one occasion where I owned a nice parcel in a private sim, and the sim got sold out from under me. I was one of the only actual residents in the sim at the time who had paid for their land. There was some confusion as to the new owner's intentions, and what the previous sim owner and I thought was that the new sim owner would wipe the sim and start over once he got it. So the previous owner graciously repaid me what I had I paid several months earlier for my parcel, and I moved out. I had a few weeks left on my maintenance, but that didn't matter much to me,since I was able to immediately recover my land purchase price.
However, it turned out that the new sim owner planned to keep things pretty much the same. I *could* have remained where I was, and just changed landlords. The only real impact on me was that he was going to move the sim to the middle of his other holdings. I was rather happy with my home, and would have been willing to remain there, and just change who I paid maintenance to.
So one way they *could* have treated it was to consider me an "asset" of the sim - a paying tenant that was already lined up and willing to continue paying a similar monthly maintenance fee. For the new sim owner, that would be one less parcel that they needed to find a tenant for. If he had intended only to rent, he could have bought me out (paying me for my land) and set up a new rental agreement with me.
I've also seen it handled far worse. Where the tenants were simply evicted, or the sim was changed radically with no notice to the tenants. Those sim owners rapidly lost a lot of paying customers. They got others, but it hurt their reputation as a landlord.
In your case, something like 2/3 of the sim is vacant. Since you want to re-terraform the island, but the resulting sim will still be pretty similar to what the tenants are living on now, it isn't that much to ask them to pick up their stuff while you terraform. They may even want to take advantage of the moving day to move to the other side of the sim, or to add to their estates.
I think that if you talk to them, and try to include them in your plans, they will see that the new sim configuration will be a much nicer place to live. And you'll get seriously good PR value with them as being a considerate landlord.
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Jake Ansett
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09-13-2007 10:18
I was wondering when you were going to chime in Ceera Look what I just found in the sellers covenant (I hadn't noticed this before): "Under the extremely unlikely event that the sim is to be sold, or SL ceases to exist, I will refund the full amount of the last payment, regardless of where the tenant is in their rental period." From: Ceera Murakami I think that if you talk to them, and try to include them in your plans, they will see that the new sim configuration will be a much nicer place to live. And you'll get seriously good PR value with them as being a considerate landlord.
Yes, I will take the high road and do just that Ceera - thx 
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Jake Ansett
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09-14-2007 06:42
I want to go on record and state that the previous owner did just issue a refund to the tenants... I am sorry for this thread... the language barrier really caused alot of miscommunication I believe between everyone involved..... but all is right with the virtual world now and its nice to see there are still good people in it...
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