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Jason Velasquez
Registered User
Join date: 29 Mar 2008
Posts: 13
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02-01-2009 08:40
I recently had someone set chat loggers out on my land.Their name is Victor. Victor threatened to use what was recoreded by saying he is going to give it to someone else. He gave the chat that he recorded to a guy named allmacht. I banned Victor from my land. Well I recently got a new neihbor named Ori. Ori placed two chat loggers out on my land and recorded stuff. I imd and confronted both Ori and Victor about this. Ori has been following me and my wife aroud. He knew where we were going by what was recorded on the chat loggers. I restricted anyone from putting anything on my land and banned them all. I am afraid that Victor, Ori, and Allmacht are all the same person. I sent an abuse report to linden labs and a notecard to my estates owner. I am very upset over this because of what Ori and Victor has both recorded from me and my wife. I dont know what linden labs will do. I am afraid all they will do is put some mark against ori and not even look into it. If Linden labs does not do much I am afraid this person will continue to make more alts and try and log my chats and continue to follow me and my wife around.
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Brann Georgia
Spits infinitives
Join date: 12 Dec 2007
Posts: 1,441
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02-01-2009 08:46
And your question is....
I'm guessing you're looking for recourse? I'd just move. This is a silly situation that I would not waste my time with (not knowing, of course, the back story to this such as why he's be bothering to hound you). Just make sure not to discuss your new place at your old place ![]() _____________________
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Jezebella Desmoulins
Registered User
Join date: 4 Nov 2005
Posts: 561
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02-01-2009 08:50
There are a lot of simple things you can do to make things boring for your stalker. Use IM to talk to your wife. Stop announcing where you are going in open chat before teleporting there. Enable the auto-return on your parcel and no one will be able to leave chat loggers on your land.
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Weston Graves
Werebeagle
Join date: 24 Mar 2007
Posts: 2,059
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02-01-2009 08:55
I recently had someone set chat loggers out on my land. Simple. Set prim return to 5 minutes or so, maybe a little longer if you want people to be able to open boxes on your land. No chat loggers should stay rezzed long enough to catch anything. The best recourse though is to ignore the drama. |
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West Later
Girl with a Smile
Join date: 27 May 2008
Posts: 16
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02-01-2009 09:04
I recently had someone set chat loggers ..... What on earth, maybe I should say SL, are these? You mean someone could be listening/recording my pillow talk? I got no land of my own so where ever I am can I spot this sort of thing? Is the aim of these people who do this to cause RL trouble for us? West |
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Ralektra Breda
Template Painter
Join date: 7 Apr 2008
Posts: 1,875
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02-01-2009 09:47
cyber in IM imo
kidding ![]() not about the IM part tho, just chat in IM and they will get tired of hearing nothing. _____________________
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Cappy Frantisek
Open Source is the Devil!
Join date: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 400
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02-01-2009 09:52
Return their stuff, ban them from your land, mute them and set auto return.
Don't forget before all this to AR them for a TOS violation! |
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
Join date: 17 Jan 2007
Posts: 9,537
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02-01-2009 09:52
Such eavesdropping is against the ToS as far as I know. I'd certainly AR the owners of the loggers and not return them, so that a Linden can see them.
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Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
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02-01-2009 09:56
It is disturbing when this happens. I know what it is liek to be "recorded". My first partner/"husband" spied on me and recorded my private conversations with my friends and, yes, my lovers in sl. Then he confronted me. Maybe I wasnt the most faithful of wives but this IS sl and I didnt see why I should wait around while he disappeared for days on end.
But back to teh situation. I would move. I "divorced" my husband (well he kinda dirvorced ME) and let me tell you the split and land sharing etc was acrimonious. So sell your land (or keep it for some future use) and find a private place for yourselves. Try a mainland sim. We keep ourselves to ourselves really and dont interfere with each other for the most part. DON"T get into a fight with the neighbour. He may be looking for one. _____________________
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Taff Nouvelle
Virtual Business Owners
Join date: 4 Sep 2006
Posts: 216
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02-01-2009 10:00
I see my suggestion of reporting the Linden in question has been removed, why??
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Victoria Todd
Elderly Lingerie Model
Join date: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 90
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02-01-2009 10:01
This is on a private estate? Your estate owner will probably take action before LL does, and more effectively. Both should probably be kept up on new events though.
Other than that...voting with everyone else that says set autoreturn, ban as you find out new names, and keep your private chat (and plans) in IM. |
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Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
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02-01-2009 10:01
Such eavesdropping is against the ToS as far as I know. I'd certainly AR the owners of the loggers and not return them, so that a Linden can see them. Not to argue, Phil, but when I was "bugged" by my partner, I was told that eavesdropping was NOT illegal in sl. Maybe those rules have changed but I wouldnt guarantee that. It feels really horrible to beb bugged liek that and seriously makes one consider leaving sl for good. Unfortnately in my case, to a great extent most people were fascinated that avitars could actually be bugged and even got into working out how it could be done and then my moral character was put into question. I suspect this bugger is recording THEIR intimate chats also. One thing I did was accept a gift from my partner which had a hidden bug implaced. Bugging is liek stalking and should be banned absolutely. _____________________
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Cappy Frantisek
Open Source is the Devil!
Join date: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 400
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02-01-2009 10:09
Not to argue, Phil, but when I was "bugged" by my partner, I was told that eavesdropping was NOT illegal in sl. Maybe those rules have changed but I wouldnt guarantee that. It feels really horrible to beb bugged liek that and seriously makes one consider leaving sl for good. Unfortnately in my case, to a great extent most people were fascinated that avitars could actually be bugged and even got into working out how it could be done and then my moral character was put into question. I suspect this bugger is recording THEIR intimate chats also. One thing I did was accept a gift from my partner which had a hidden bug implaced. Bugging is liek stalking and should be banned absolutely. Excerpt from TOS Section CONDUCT BY USERS OF SECOND LIFE 4.1 You agree to abide by certain rules of conduct, including the Community Standards and other rules prohibiting illegal and other practices that Linden Lab deems harmful. (x) "stalk", abuse or attempt to abuse, or otherwise harass another user. I would think that "recording" another users conversations could be stalking, abuse or harassment. Only big Brother themselves can record your interactions. Excerpt from TOS Section PRIVACY POLICY 6.2 Linden Lab may observe and record your interaction within the Service, and may share aggregated and other general information (not including your personal information) with third parties. You acknowledge and agree that Linden Lab, in its sole discretion, may track, record, observe or follow any and all of your interactions within the Service. Linden Lab may share general, demographic, or aggregated information with third parties about our user base and Service usage, but that information will not include or be linked to any personal information without your consent. |
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Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
Join date: 24 May 2006
Posts: 7,138
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02-01-2009 10:16
Where is Des? He always recommends having a little fun with the situation while it lasts. If SpyA's chatloggers are currently active, recruit an accomplice to come over and visit, then tell the accomplice the whole detailed story of the time you walked-in on SpyB and SpyC having wild sex with a prim chicken. Or something like that.
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Eva Ryan
That's Eva Ryan™
Join date: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 197
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02-01-2009 10:19
Mute, Ban, Abuse Report, Set land to disallow object rezzing and object entry.
The best way to be rid of such drama queens is to make it boring for them. |
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Lynni Aeon
Registered User
Join date: 4 Dec 2007
Posts: 25
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02-01-2009 13:45
Victor threatened to use what was recoreded by saying he is going to give it to someone else. He gave the chat that he recorded to a guy named allmacht. I am very upset over this because of what Ori and Victor has both recorded from me and my wife. Below is info directly from the Knowledge Base and both apply here. Disclosure: Remote Monitoring Remotely monitoring inworld conversations without the knowledge or consent of all parties involved is a violation of the Terms of Service. If you feel recording a conversation is necessary, we recommend that you post a clearly visible sign in the recording location so that all Residents who enter can see it. Please note: the abuse team will need to determine if sufficient information was provided to the Residents who are being recorded. We recommend that you proceed with caution, provide documentation on your efforts to inform all parties they are being monitored, and find a secure area before recording begins. Disclosure: Second Life Sharing or posting a conversation inworld or in the Second Life Forums without consent of all involved Residents is a violation of the Terms of Service. Please note: this does not include posting of chat to MySpace, or external websites; those things might be illegal in real life, but those laws must be enforced by the proper real life enforcement agencies. "Conversation" means text that originally came from Second Life chat or Second Life instant messages. If it's totally unattributed, then it isn't considered disclosure. Additionally, Residents are not punished for sharing or posting a comment such as "Bob Resident said, 'You're the greatest!'" |
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Darkness Anubis
Registered User
Join date: 14 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,628
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02-01-2009 14:03
create an object with a script that whispers every 5 mintues or so "Reading other people chat is SOOOOOO boring." THen place it next to the logger
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foehn Breed
More random than random
Join date: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,142
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02-01-2009 15:28
create an object with a script that whispers every 5 mintues or so "Reading other people chat is SOOOOOO boring." THen place it next to the logger ![]() I know! It never ceases to surprise me, w/ all the things to do in SL, ppls have to be tired lame. wth Wants to read, "Do you like this hair? Or this demo?," "spats*, "Let's go <insert anywhere>", "No you are cute teehee!", "You're not wear that! are you?", "Where should we move <just bought object for home>?". "I don't like <insert so and so>, who probably knows anyways." _____________________
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Kasuga Hax
Hanja Welcome Area Helper
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 284
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02-02-2009 00:47
So Ori and Victor are just alts of a much bigger idiot.
I never got tracked, and don't know why this person wants to know what you do in private. So aside from AR'ing all this person's alt accounts until the end of time, you can put up ban lines, and build restrictions. LL might ban these people one by one. But I see they will come back until you give up. So you have to track back to who this person originally is. hopefully with lots of money in his/her account. have that banned. LL can, but rarely does check where an alt get's their money from. The money MUST come from somewhere. A creditcard, somwhere will create the Linden Dollars they need to haunt you. They did rent land didn't they _____________________
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Raudf Fox
(ra-ow-th)
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 5,119
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02-02-2009 05:28
I feel rather sorry for ANYONE chatlogging me. I usually chat in IMs and if I have to chat "locally," it tends to be either the most disjointed, one-sided discussion with a prim OR, I'm explaining things to a group of newbies or a chat with a group of customers. In other words, I'm either insane sounding or completely boring.
But I'd actually feel sorry for the chatlogging idiots. It's quite apparent they have no real lives or second lives of their own, so they must live vicariously through others. My suggestion is to turn on the autoreturn to keep their pesky things off your land, ban/mute said idiots and keep your chatter to IMs. After that, just ignore them. Most move on to other targets after they get bore. Or if you wanna have some real fun with them, find/create a scripted object that whispers pieces of Shakespeare's works at random intervals. Or They Might Be Giants lyrics. Doesn't matter, just something that is a bit disjointed and hard to follow when randomized. Place near the chat loggers. Just make sure it's a whisper, so that you don't cause problems for others. But if you are on estate land, speak with either the owner or one of the estate managers. They are more likely to respond in a timely manner than LL. _____________________
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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 8,371
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02-02-2009 07:50
What on earth, maybe I should say SL, are these? You mean someone could be listening/recording my pillow talk? I got no land of my own so where ever I am can I spot this sort of thing? Is the aim of these people who do this to cause RL trouble for us? West Yes, a prim with a listener script in it can be used to relay your open chat to someone else who is not present. They can't listen in on your IM's however. There are bug detectors that will tell you when this is happening, although they tend to give a lot of false positives. MystiTool has a bug detector function, in addition to its many other uses. Mostly people who spy on your chat are out to cause SL trouble for you, not RL trouble...unless you routinely blurt out your RL contact info in open chat. _____________________
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