Age Verification vs Camera Controls & Chat

Could someone who has an age unverified account test:

(1) whether moving the camera viewpoint allows them to see inside a restricted parcel with opaque walls?

(2) Whether chat is at all stopped, or works like normal.

(3) Whether flyovers are possible above the ban line height limits.

If thats the case, then age verification does NOTHING to stop people from watching porn (video or avatar) on the mainland, and does LITTLE to stop people from listening to or having adult conversations. The parcel would have to be large enough to have a buffer zone around the adult chat as wide as the range of chat.

"on the mainland" is in there because an island sim where the whole sim is restricted and isolated from neighboring islands might work. I've never tried to move the camera from one island to a nearby but not connected island, so Im not sure how that would work.

The point is even if:

(A) The verification system worked perfectly AND

(B) Parcel owners flag their land

it STILL would not stop the activity it is supposed to stop.

DRN

Bingo.

Age Verification isn't going to *stop* underage folks from viewing adult content. I don't think Linden has ever specifically claimed its going to.

Linden is attempting to appease certain governments that threatened to block their citizen's access to SL if they didn't take *reasonable* steps to but a barrier between minors and adult content.

Reasonable does not neccesarily equal Thourough.

Can't test it yet. The age verification info hasn't yet been passed to the in-world side.

None of your proposed tests would fail though. If SL had a way to keep people from looking through walls, we'd have it for all Players by now.

What it *will* do is prevent them from jumping into virtual bed with you, then their outraged mommy suing you for corrupting their 'innocent child'. Because you can counter with "The only way your kid could get on that pose ball was by committing identity theft or criminal fraud. Drop your suit or I counter-sue, and I have a much stronger case."

It isn't and hasn't ever been about protecting anyone from viewing the naughty of SL - it is about transference of liability from LL to the landowner. Age Verification gives LL a "get out of court for free" card.

I'm sure it was announced a while ago that the contents of restricted areas would not be rendered if you were not age verified. In other words, there would be seeing through opaque walls because there would be no opaque walls; just void water where the adult area would be.

Eeekk, so if you dont verify its like early global warming with water everywhere the naughty stuff is happening.

As posted to the blog, with the inaccuracies and problems with majorities of users unwilling and unable to verify, the onus can easily be pushed back to LL for providing a stopgap measure that does not work. I think they woud have been better off from a legal standpoint if they had done nothing as opposed to implenting a broken and unusable system. By implenting something at all they admit they realize there is an issue that needs addressing, once they do that it is thier responsibility to make that system viable, right now it is not, and it looks like it never will be. The majority of users can not reasonably be expected to use this, that is something LL has been made aware of, as evidenced in the comments to the blog and forums. I doubt it would be hard to prove to anyone that the verification is nothing more than a smokescreen token effort. If the database they were checking against were updated and accurate, if people were not succesfully verifying on thier 12yo childs information, if LL would bring Aristotle to the forefront to answer and alleviate concerns of people that refuse to use this system it would be differnt, those things would show they were really trying to make this work. Without that though, the "get out of court free" card wont work, it is to easy for a landowner to show they put out a measure that simply doesnt work and could not reasonably be expected to be used gridwide.


Wouldnt it be nice if LL would just come out and tell the truth for once,
Just say: look we are doing this to cover ourselves so when someone tries to sue us because their kid saw a pixelboobie we can point at the landowner who was host to the pixelboobie in question and say, sue them, we gave them the tools they chose not to use them. We don’t expect this to be perfect or even very functional, if we did we would have put more time into it and gotten a solid company to do the checks, and made sure everyone could get verified. As long as many people can not or will not get verified then the grid really wont change much, people wont bother with doing it or marking their land for it, this goes away and is a forgotten “feature” untill we need to bring it up to COA against litigation. Then of course that ball is in the landowners court.

Just go ahead and say that. Then we will know what’s up and we can decide to go ahead and let this blow over and not get so worked up about it. The smalltime landowner likely wont be pursed legally because there is really nothing to get from them in a suit, and even if they were persued they can point at the horrible non-funtionality of the verification method and say - hey look I would’ve used it, but it is broken and always has been, people with legit info can not get verified, people would have to break their countries laws to get verified, the company being used sells personal information, etc. I can not be expected to require my customers to submit themselves to that and in fact I would be cutting off a mojority of my business and livlihood if I did. The brokeness and unusability of this system has been pointed out to LL time and time again and they have not moved to fix it or address the concerns, if they had come up with something that worked I would have used it. But obviously they never intended this to be used, go talk to them not me. And with that we throw the ball right back into LL’s court.

No such announcement has been made. Believe me, if that was true, a huge percentage of SL users would be flocking to age verify and to lock down their land. How long have we been demanding a way to keep prying eyes of ANY age out of our virtual bedrooms? An announcement with that much impact would be front-page news in every venue vaguely related to SL.

Wow, do you think we could get LL to enact "Ad Farm Verification"?