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Solanghe Sarlo

Gypsy Free Thinker

Join date: 19 Jul 2006

Posts: 644

02-14-2008 18:40

Hi everyone,

What is the Nicolaz viewer? Does it make a difference in performance for those who use it? Should I try it?

Also, yesterday for the first time I had so much lag it was obscene. Everytime I took a walk, or flew or anything I would float off into no man's land. I crashed a total of 6 times (!) in less than 2 hours. I finally logged in frustration.

Has anyone else been having probs like this lately? Oh and I forgot to mention the signifcant delay when making a purchase or trying to edit...etc.

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Void Singer

Int vSelf = Sing(void);

Join date: 24 Sep 2005

Posts: 6,973

02-14-2008 19:50

most of that sounds like server lag, which nicholaz client isn't going to do much for, however there are som perks to Nicholaz viewer.

the big one is stability, it has fixes for several memory leaks, which over time will cause the viewer to crash. I've run it in world for 24hrs + at a time. I never managed more than a few hrs with the LL version.

old style interface, where the friends list is seperated from the IM window, allowing the IM window to be much smaller.

fixes for the 'head up your arse', and 'attachments up your arse' bugs starting in BE-v

no stupid stoplight 'lag meter', but rather the old reliable packet loss and bandwidth meters.

redmap warning, when the server silently stops talking to your client, it pops a warning.

I doubt you'll notice a lag or framerate difference between the two, but Nick's client is definitely more stable

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Solanghe Sarlo

Gypsy Free Thinker

Join date: 19 Jul 2006

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02-14-2008 20:09

Ok, thank you for your answer. How do I get it? Is it downloadable from SL or another source? Was it created by a resident or by LL?

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Ann Launay

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02-14-2008 20:31

http://nicholaz-beresford.blogspot.com/

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Sally Silvera

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Join date: 17 Feb 2007

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02-15-2008 00:33

From: Solanghe Sarlo

Ok, thank you for your answer. How do I get it? Is it downloadable from SL or another source? Was it created by a resident or by LL?

Hi Solange,

I'd strongly recommmend it. Nicholaz is one of the open source contributors. He explains it all in his blog. See the link above in Ann's post. There's also a windlight version btw.
Explanations of how to install the various version are always included in the dowload directory.

Enjoy

.

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Morwen Bunin

Everybody needs a hero!

Join date: 8 Dec 2005

Posts: 1,743

02-15-2008 00:40

Does this client already support WindLight? I must admit I have fallen in love with WindLight....

Morwen.

Sally Silvera

live music maniac

Join date: 17 Feb 2007

Posts: 2,325

02-15-2008 01:05

From: Morwen Bunin

Does this client already support WindLight? I must admit I have fallen in love with WindLight....
Morwen.

Hi Morwen,

If you go to : http://nicholaz-beresford.blogspot.com/2007/12/aaaaarrrggggh.html

you'll find his patched Windlight client and instructions how to install.

I've become addicted to Windlight as of yesterday, so gonna pop Nic's version on top of the official one later. It's a bit more complicated because you have to override the version number, but he explains it in his instructions.

.

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Brenda Connolly

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02-15-2008 04:49

From: Void Singer

most of that sounds like server lag, which nicholaz client isn't going to do much for, however there are som perks to Nicholaz viewer.

the big one is stability, it has fixes for several memory leaks, which over time will cause the viewer to crash. I've run it in world for 24hrs + at a time. I never managed more than a few hrs with the LL version.

old style interface, where the friends list is seperated from the IM window, allowing the IM window to be much smaller.

fixes for the 'head up your arse', and 'attachments up your arse' bugs starting in BE-v

no stupid stoplight 'lag meter', but rather the old reliable packet loss and bandwidth meters.

redmap warning, when the server silently stops talking to your client, it pops a warning.

I doubt you'll notice a lag or framerate difference between the two, but Nick's client is definitely more stable

yes. SL itself just seems laggier lately. But all you said is why I use Nic's viewer. It just seems a bit more stable than the Official Viewer.

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Solanghe Sarlo

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Join date: 19 Jul 2006

Posts: 644

02-15-2008 11:45

Thanks for the replies, and the link Ann.

I'm definately going to try it. I haven't tried windlight yet, can you believe it? Guess it's time for that too.

Have they fixed it so that Avi's don't look bad or is that still a prob?

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Solanghe Sarlo

Gypsy Free Thinker

Join date: 19 Jul 2006

Posts: 644

Got it, it's great

02-16-2008 13:30

Update: I installed the Nic viewer and noticed a difference right away. Thanks to all who commented. So nice to TP with attachments in place. lol And I love the old interface. Yay!

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Diana Pomilio

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Join date: 19 Jan 2008

Posts: 13

02-16-2008 13:40

I downloaded it and installed but when I try to run it I get a message saying that xul.dll was not found. I uninstalled and reinstalled and I still get the same message.

Nika Talaj

now you see her ...

Join date: 2 Jan 2007

Posts: 5,449

02-16-2008 13:56

Diana, tke a close look at Nicholaz's installation instructions with respect particularly to two things:

-- You have to install a corresponding version of LL's viewer FIRST, to pick up all the little .dlls etc. that are part of the product.

-- You have to manually copy over 3 or so of Nick's dll's and xml files in addition to the main executable (.exe) file.
.

Diana Pomilio

Registered User

Join date: 19 Jan 2008

Posts: 13

02-16-2008 14:37

Thanks Nika, I did all you suggested and now its up and running!

Ann Launay

Neko-licious™

Join date: 8 Aug 2006

Posts: 7,893

02-16-2008 16:04

From: Solanghe Sarlo

I haven't tried windlight yet, can you believe it? Guess it's time for that too.

Have they fixed it so that Avi's don't look bad or is that still a prob?

They look better, but still pretty bad. I'm not switching until they force us to.

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From: someone

I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.

foehn Breed

More random than random

Join date: 16 Jan 2006

Posts: 1,142

02-17-2008 03:26

http://nicholaz-beresford.blogspot.com/2008/02/version-119.html
Nicholaz' latest posting is discouraging,
although I am sure what a head ache of work and don't fault anyone for remembering their real lives,
I've been eagerly waiting for his next new release, his versions are great.
I hop on WL from time to time and can run it fine,
and get a quick reminder why my computer and I appreciate the Nicholaz viewer!

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Solanghe Sarlo

Gypsy Free Thinker

Join date: 19 Jul 2006

Posts: 644

Nicolaz's Windlight Patch

02-17-2008 11:46

Windlight. um....WOW.

Decided to try it and it is friggin amazing! Even though my Avi kind of looks like she has a liver disorder now...whatev. I may never go back to the standard viewer.

I did have problems with trying to patch Nic's viewer - I get crash on startup now. I edited the version text notes as he instructed but still crashin.

Anyone have any insight into that?

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Crunch Underwood

Mr. Grown up, Go away sir

Join date: 25 Sep 2007

Posts: 624

02-17-2008 13:20

if you open up preferances in windlight and go to the graphics tab i'm pretty sure if you open up the personalise part you can change the slider to make av's look better.

sorry for my crappy explination but i don't have SL on this computer so can't give you the exact names of the tabs ect. but it is in there, stops your av's looking like lego at long distances

-Crunch

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Jackson Racer

Mhm I gotta SL Blog

Join date: 19 Dec 2006

Posts: 130

03-07-2008 18:00

this is what i did maybe it will help you?
First make sure you have the http://s3.amazonaws.com/download-secondlife-com/Second_Life_1-18-5-3_Setup.exe installed.

Then

http://www.blueflash.cc/users/nicholaz/BleedingEdge/ (see below)

Click the Nicholas-BE-V.zip

Index of /users/nicholaz/BleedingEdge

Parent Directory
!!Installation.txt
!AboutCrashes.txt
!Changes.txt
favicon.ico
nicholaz-BE-v.zip
~previous-versions/
~source/

Unzip it into the NEWLY downloaded version of SL folder.

-- You have to manually copy over 3 Nick's .dll's and .xml files in addition to the .exe file.<<~~ the blue hand.

Keep those extra files in your Second Life folder

Then

Right-Click your desktop, select New, Shortcut and pick the nicholaz.exe file from the second life program folder via the browse button (My Computer, Drive C, Program Files, SecondLife(ReleaseCandidate), nicholaz.exe) and finish the shortcut.

Solanghe Sarlo

Gypsy Free Thinker

Join date: 19 Jul 2006

Posts: 644

03-07-2008 20:34

Hi Jack, thanks for the response.

It looks like you're giving me the info to use the Nic viewer with the regular SL client? I have done that and use it everyday; it's awesome. = )

What I was having trouble with was patching the Windlight client rather than the regular one.

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Nicolaz viewer?
Solanghe Sarlo Gypsy Free Thinker Join date: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 644	02-14-2008 18:40 Hi everyone, What is the Nicolaz viewer? Does it make a difference in performance for those who use it? Should I try it? Also, yesterday for the first time I had so much lag it was obscene. Everytime I took a walk, or flew or anything I would float off into no man's land. I crashed a total of 6 times (!) in less than 2 hours. I finally logged in frustration. Has anyone else been having probs like this lately? Oh and I forgot to mention the signifcant delay when making a purchase or trying to edit...etc. _____________________ The key to a contented life: Figure out who you are, what you are, fix what you can and make peace with the rest.
Void Singer Int vSelf = Sing(void); Join date: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 6,973	02-14-2008 19:50 most of that sounds like server lag, which nicholaz client isn't going to do much for, however there are som perks to Nicholaz viewer. the big one is stability, it has fixes for several memory leaks, which over time will cause the viewer to crash. I've run it in world for 24hrs + at a time. I never managed more than a few hrs with the LL version. old style interface, where the friends list is seperated from the IM window, allowing the IM window to be much smaller. fixes for the 'head up your arse', and 'attachments up your arse' bugs starting in BE-v no stupid stoplight 'lag meter', but rather the old reliable packet loss and bandwidth meters. redmap warning, when the server silently stops talking to your client, it pops a warning. I doubt you'll notice a lag or framerate difference between the two, but Nick's client is definitely more stable _____________________ \| \| . "Cat-Like Typing Detected" \| . This post may contain errors in logic, spelling, and \| . grammar known to the SL populace to cause confusion \| \| - Please Use PHP tags when posting scripts/code, Thanks. \| - Can't See PHP or URL Tags Correctly? Check Out This Link... \| -
Solanghe Sarlo Gypsy Free Thinker Join date: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 644	02-14-2008 20:09 Ok, thank you for your answer. How do I get it? Is it downloadable from SL or another source? Was it created by a resident or by LL? _____________________ The key to a contented life: Figure out who you are, what you are, fix what you can and make peace with the rest.
Ann Launay Neko-licious™ Join date: 8 Aug 2006 Posts: 7,893	02-14-2008 20:31 http://nicholaz-beresford.blogspot.com/ _____________________ ~Now Trout Re-Re-Re-Certified!~ From: someone I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things. Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Sally Silvera live music maniac Join date: 17 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,325	02-15-2008 00:33 From: Solanghe Sarlo Ok, thank you for your answer. How do I get it? Is it downloadable from SL or another source? Was it created by a resident or by LL? Hi Solange, I'd strongly recommmend it. Nicholaz is one of the open source contributors. He explains it all in his blog. See the link above in Ann's post. There's also a windlight version btw. Explanations of how to install the various version are always included in the dowload directory. Enjoy . _____________________
Morwen Bunin Everybody needs a hero! Join date: 8 Dec 2005 Posts: 1,743	02-15-2008 00:40 Does this client already support WindLight? I must admit I have fallen in love with WindLight.... Morwen.
Sally Silvera live music maniac Join date: 17 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,325	02-15-2008 01:05 From: Morwen Bunin Does this client already support WindLight? I must admit I have fallen in love with WindLight.... Morwen. Hi Morwen, If you go to : http://nicholaz-beresford.blogspot.com/2007/12/aaaaarrrggggh.html you'll find his patched Windlight client and instructions how to install. I've become addicted to Windlight as of yesterday, so gonna pop Nic's version on top of the official one later. It's a bit more complicated because you have to override the version number, but he explains it in his instructions. . _____________________
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	02-15-2008 04:49 From: Void Singer most of that sounds like server lag, which nicholaz client isn't going to do much for, however there are som perks to Nicholaz viewer. the big one is stability, it has fixes for several memory leaks, which over time will cause the viewer to crash. I've run it in world for 24hrs + at a time. I never managed more than a few hrs with the LL version. old style interface, where the friends list is seperated from the IM window, allowing the IM window to be much smaller. fixes for the 'head up your arse', and 'attachments up your arse' bugs starting in BE-v no stupid stoplight 'lag meter', but rather the old reliable packet loss and bandwidth meters. redmap warning, when the server silently stops talking to your client, it pops a warning. I doubt you'll notice a lag or framerate difference between the two, but Nick's client is definitely more stable yes. SL itself just seems laggier lately. But all you said is why I use Nic's viewer. It just seems a bit more stable than the Official Viewer. _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Solanghe Sarlo Gypsy Free Thinker Join date: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 644	02-15-2008 11:45 Thanks for the replies, and the link Ann. I'm definately going to try it. I haven't tried windlight yet, can you believe it? Guess it's time for that too. Have they fixed it so that Avi's don't look bad or is that still a prob? _____________________ The key to a contented life: Figure out who you are, what you are, fix what you can and make peace with the rest.
Solanghe Sarlo Gypsy Free Thinker Join date: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 644	Got it, it's great 02-16-2008 13:30 Update: I installed the Nic viewer and noticed a difference right away. Thanks to all who commented. So nice to TP with attachments in place. lol And I love the old interface. Yay! _____________________ The key to a contented life: Figure out who you are, what you are, fix what you can and make peace with the rest.
Diana Pomilio Registered User Join date: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 13	02-16-2008 13:40 I downloaded it and installed but when I try to run it I get a message saying that xul.dll was not found. I uninstalled and reinstalled and I still get the same message.
Nika Talaj now you see her ... Join date: 2 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,449	02-16-2008 13:56 Diana, tke a close look at Nicholaz's installation instructions with respect particularly to two things: -- You have to install a corresponding version of LL's viewer FIRST, to pick up all the little .dlls etc. that are part of the product. -- You have to manually copy over 3 or so of Nick's dll's and xml files in addition to the main executable (.exe) file. .
Diana Pomilio Registered User Join date: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 13	02-16-2008 14:37 Thanks Nika, I did all you suggested and now its up and running!
Ann Launay Neko-licious™ Join date: 8 Aug 2006 Posts: 7,893	02-16-2008 16:04 From: Solanghe Sarlo I haven't tried windlight yet, can you believe it? Guess it's time for that too. Have they fixed it so that Avi's don't look bad or is that still a prob? They look better, but still pretty bad. I'm not switching until they force us to. _____________________ ~Now Trout Re-Re-Re-Certified!~ From: someone I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things. Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
foehn Breed More random than random Join date: 16 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,142	02-17-2008 03:26 http://nicholaz-beresford.blogspot.com/2008/02/version-119.html Nicholaz' latest posting is discouraging, although I am sure what a head ache of work and don't fault anyone for remembering their real lives, I've been eagerly waiting for his next new release, his versions are great. I hop on WL from time to time and can run it fine, and get a quick reminder why my computer and I appreciate the Nicholaz viewer! _____________________ You have no friends online at this time. "Excellent!" Einstein "I never think of the future. It comes soon enough."
Solanghe Sarlo Gypsy Free Thinker Join date: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 644	Nicolaz's Windlight Patch 02-17-2008 11:46 Windlight. um....WOW. Decided to try it and it is friggin amazing! Even though my Avi kind of looks like she has a liver disorder now...whatev. I may never go back to the standard viewer. I did have problems with trying to patch Nic's viewer - I get crash on startup now. I edited the version text notes as he instructed but still crashin. Anyone have any insight into that? _____________________ The key to a contented life: Figure out who you are, what you are, fix what you can and make peace with the rest.
Crunch Underwood Mr. Grown up, Go away sir Join date: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 624	02-17-2008 13:20 if you open up preferances in windlight and go to the graphics tab i'm pretty sure if you open up the personalise part you can change the slider to make av's look better. sorry for my crappy explination but i don't have SL on this computer so can't give you the exact names of the tabs ect. but it is in there, stops your av's looking like lego at long distances -Crunch _____________________ ---------------------------------------------- So your final Nimbus Score is 8.15, a quite remarkable achievement for a biped. Congratulations Crunch, you should be very proud.
Jackson Racer Mhm I gotta SL Blog Join date: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 130	03-07-2008 18:00 this is what i did maybe it will help you? First make sure you have the http://s3.amazonaws.com/download-secondlife-com/Second_Life_1-18-5-3_Setup.exe installed. Then http://www.blueflash.cc/users/nicholaz/BleedingEdge/ (see below) Click the Nicholas-BE-V.zip Index of /users/nicholaz/BleedingEdge Parent Directory !!Installation.txt !AboutCrashes.txt !Changes.txt favicon.ico nicholaz-BE-v.zip ~previous-versions/ ~source/ Unzip it into the NEWLY downloaded version of SL folder. -- You have to manually copy over 3 Nick's .dll's and .xml files in addition to the .exe file.<<~~ the blue hand. Keep those extra files in your Second Life folder Then Right-Click your desktop, select New, Shortcut and pick the nicholaz.exe file from the second life program folder via the browse button (My Computer, Drive C, Program Files, SecondLife(ReleaseCandidate), nicholaz.exe) and finish the shortcut.
Solanghe Sarlo Gypsy Free Thinker Join date: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 644	03-07-2008 20:34 Hi Jack, thanks for the response. It looks like you're giving me the info to use the Nic viewer with the regular SL client? I have done that and use it everyday; it's awesome. = ) What I was having trouble with was patching the Windlight client rather than the regular one. _____________________ The key to a contented life: Figure out who you are, what you are, fix what you can and make peace with the rest.

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