problem with renters being able to set "home"

Renters on my land used to be able to join my group and set "home " at the rental houses on my land. The land was set to group, but not deeded to group.

Now they cannot set home. I contacted live help, and was told that I had to deed the land to the group.

I started to deed one section to group and got a warning message that if I sold the land after I had deeded it to group, that the selling price would be divided amoung group members.

It's been like that for a while, when you sell land deeded to a group the purchase price will be split among all members. However, there's an easy workaround for you as the group founder / owner: set the deeded land for sale to yourself, for a minor amount like 10 L$, and buy it back from the group.

That's also a reason to be careful with deeded land when your group has more than one person assigned to the "owner" role, since they can sell deeded land as well (at least with the standard group permissions).

Dear Rioa Padar,

There are a couple of separate issues here.

-- Residents' ability to set their Home location on land owned by you. Can you give an example of a parcel where this problem is occuring? Is the option to allow landmarks turned on?

-- Money paid for the sale of any group-owned thing is divided among one or more members of the group, based on how the group is organized by the founder. In "traditional" groups, the funds were indeed divided evenly among all members; newer groups may limit funds distribution to specific roles. It's not clear if you want to move your parcels into "group-owned land" or not.

Send me an IM next time you're in-world, with a parcel location, and I'll take a look at the parcel settings.

Michael Linden
Customer Support

Michael,

The set to home problem was a known bug the last time I looked, and is slated to be fixed soon I'm hoping. With landmarks allowed and the land set to group (not deeded), group members are unable to set home to that land. Here is the text from the known issues page:

SL-23593: Members of a group cannot set their home location when land is only set to a group and not deeded
Affects: 1.12.0.14, 1.12.1.12 (Groups, Parcels)

Can you let us know when this might be fixed?

Thanks!

This bug, incombination with troubles with teleport landmarks in my home sim, Hundertwasser, has been buggin me a lot. I'd love to see some idea of when it might get fixed.

Mari

My Dear Michael

I have been renting out houses on my land for a long while, and beleive my settings are correct.

No, Michael, I do not want to deed my land to a group of renters. I paid a lot of linden for it.

I believe the problem lies with Linden Labs, and I hope it gets fixed soon.

Your Live Help is giving out erroneous information, I hope you can fix that also.

Michael, despite the new roles system allowing group dividends to be split between users of a certain role only, the "all groups members will receive the proceeds of a land sale" (I'm paraphrasing) warning message has NOT changed. Understandably, that puts people off.

I recently deeded land to a group just to work around the annoying set home location bug, and I bypassed the above message based on the assumption that somebody at LL simply hadn't finished the job when implementing the new roles system. However, when I sold up recently, I was horrified to find the Group $L section reporting that all group members had been allocated thousands of $Ls proceeds from the sale. So, I ejected everybody but my partner just to be on the safe side. When stipend day finally arrived, the funds were allocated correctly to myself only so I needn't have kicked everybody from the group and suffered the ensuing drama after all. (Gee thanks for that. )

I can also confirm that group members are still unable to set their home location to group (set but undeeded) land because we tried this on my partner's new parcel just yesterday. I expected this result though because when I queried the situation with Live Help a couple of weeks ago, a Linden (I can't remember which one) said it's not a bug, but how the 'set home location' feature is meant to work after the roles system was implemented.

So who should I believe?

Honestly? I would side with the known issues page on this one. Although it is quite frustrating to be getting so many different answers from so many different places.

Also, I am obviously not anyone who actually has the authority to tell you which source is correct. Mine is just an educated guess.

I honestly can see no reason why you can't set your "home" to anywhere that is set to create landmarks.

I have an alt whose "home" is set from previously when my land was in a different configuration, and logs in embedded in a wall which, to move, would require a major rebuild that I am not willing to do. Obviously I have a landmark set which I can then just click and go to once I log in, but it's a pain to have to do that.

What about a newbie who doesn't yet have land but a friend who plays SL says "you can use this as home until you go premium". They can't set home either, and there's honestly no need for most people to deed land to a group.

Is there a good reason I don't know of as to why this is the case, or is it simply not shiny enough to be a Linden Lab priority fix?

Lewis

I know of a few basics who frequently go somewhere specific before logging off so they'll arrive at their last location instead of a laggy Welcome Area when they login again. I bet they'd welcome an idea like this, and given the explosion of landless basics since unverified registrations were allowed, the burden on Welcome Areas (horrendous this past week due to excessive publicity) would surely be reduced.

And Madison, I'm totally with your educated guess.

I actually haven't been able to set my new home ANYWHERE. Every time I set it, no matter what group, what land, who owns it, etc. always reverts my set home to an old space I used to rent. Thankfully the owner understands that I don't want to log out in a laggy sim, and I currently have no home anyways.

there's one important reason that "home" exists that isn't being acknowledged...

"death"

in game terms, "home" is your respawn point. if you are "killed" or "teleport agent home'd", you are sent.. natually.. to your home base point.

This could be abused in "combat" situations.. you could script (theorhetically) the 'set home to here" action... and then if your opponent killed you, you'd respawn in the same location. those often maligned "security" systems would fail too.. because 15 seconds is ample enough time to "set home to here".

I agree however, that more could be done to allow the "homeless" in SL a little more freedom.. (being one of them myself). I'd like to be able to set my home to my favourite spot in a public sandbox, let's say. But also some compromise so that home-bodies don't have to deal with random people setting their newly built bedroom to "home". If you've ever watched the Telehub in places like Plum.. during peak times.. it's crazy. 40 people piled on top of each other at that tiny little "spawn point" on the pier.

Sadly, that's MY 'home' too.

On the other hand, what if the 'special location' you choose for home is popular with lots of other people too? For example, what if a significant number of landless anime fanatics (ahem, ok clutching at straws) set their home location to Nakama? It's a default login point they might rarely stray from, and it could either leave the sim as laggy as a welcome area or block all access for a considerable proportion of time.

Given that "Edit Terrain", "Fly", "Create Objects" and "Create Landmarks" don't require land to be deeded to a group for their status to be toggled, I wonder why "Allow set home to here" isn't the same? Those five options (including "Set Home to Here" are actually lumped together under 'Parcel Powers' on the Groups Interface, so surely "Allow Set Home to Here" should be alongside them in the About Land dialog also?

I have a similar problem where i have an island that i want to stop people from creating LandMarks and a couple of skyboxes.

I also have a rented section (Skybox) that i need for them to be able to set Home and Landmarks for their properties.

Any suggestions?

Well fair play to you for searching the forum for your answer first.

You'll need the land to be group owned and invite your tenants to a group. There's a group role to always allow create landmarks, this is supposed to work even if you've turned off the ability for others to create landmarks on your land.

There's also a group role for allowing people to set home.

If you joined a group of the renters then setting yourself active with it long enough to set the parcel as home should work.

Er, is that what they said up there? oops

It's great that Suzy searched for an answer here. But wouldn't you know it? This time the information is out of date.

It's now possible for a member of a group to Set Home to land owned by an individual but merely *set* to that group. (We wanted that for a long, long time; see http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-404 for details.)

I believe Ciaran is correct that the group member must be assigned to a role with that specific ability, but I don't think it matters what role or even group the member has active when they do it.

Not only that, but I actually almost had heart failure at seeing a Linden posting some answers/solutions in a thread -- then I saw the date of the post.

Me too, that was my first clue that this was a necro-post.

Suzy, in the land pane under options there's a tick box 'create landmarks here' which gives or removes the ability for people to make landmarks on a parcel.

If your two areas are separated (not vertically but horizontally) you can divide the parcel into two (if they aren't already) and set the land permissions appropriately for each.