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Crunch Underwood

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07-29-2008 19:11

i have tier free 512 through my premium membership that i'v never bothered to buy, i was thinking today that with the low prices i should buy one and build something random on it. perhaps eschers waterfall or his stairs (and with the david bowie 24 hour music feed that would be super fantasticaly awsome)

i'm not inworld till later today so can't have a look but i was wondering if anyone knows of any escher-esk builds that i could look at and get some idea's from

cheers

EDIT: wanted to add this wiki link for people to learn more about M.C. Escher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._C._Escher

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07-29-2008 19:34

Escher Relativity House
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Twist%20of%20Fate/72/205/35

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Alicia Sautereau

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07-29-2008 19:58

to really have fun with it, prims should have a gravity attribute so you can walk as intented and not be restricted by gravity

the day that happens, you would see some true amazing ****

Lindal Kidd

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07-29-2008 20:03

the Escher House does have variable gravity...it's actually 3 houses with local tps.

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07-29-2008 20:11

A lot of Escher stuff can't actually exist in 3D, which is pretty much the point. Many of his drawings exploit the commonly accepted rules of what constitutes the illusion of 3D perspective in a 2D space, to turn those rules in on themselves.

"Waterfall" is a pretty good example of this. The form is an illusion, which only works in 2D. It cannot exist in 3D at all. You could do something that sort of looks like it, sure, but it would be missing the point. It would have to follow laws of 3D space, which would mean radically changing many of the angles involved. About the best you'd be able to say at that point is "Hey, look at this silly thing that defies gravity". All the brilliance of Escher's actual design would be lost, since his not only defies gravity, but defies space. By definition, that's just not something you can ever do in 3D.

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Blot Brickworks

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07-29-2008 20:15

Just popped over there and it is great fun but very hard to cam around.Twice while sitting I stood up to find myself dumped on the ground.

I think the stairs need to be wider although that is nitpicking,It's worth a visit.

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07-29-2008 20:58

There are other kinds of illusions that are sort of Escher scrambled, putting 2D imagery on 3D surfaces which you only get the proper effect of viewed from a specific place. Stuff like this:

So I guess one could start with an Escher drawing, project that onto a 3D build, and when you got in the right place, there would be an Escher drawing doing it's weird trickery on you.

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07-29-2008 22:22

There are a couple of things along the lines of the illusions that depend on viewing from a very specific angle which do work in SL, but in general the tricks are more like theater than 2d graphic design.

The Ames room (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ames_room) works reasonably well from a number of angles close to the "perfect" angle:
http://slurl.com/secondlife/xyz/133/20/500

I also managed a passable "impossible trident" using invisiprims:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/xyz/230/49/500

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07-29-2008 22:49

One might be able to make some angel-demon tessellations with sculpties.

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Bree Giffen

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07-29-2008 22:50

How about the crooked house? That one always makes me feel a little dizzy.

DaQbet Kish

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07-29-2008 22:54

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

One might be able to make some angel-demon tessellations with sculpties.

I want this as a name for my next alt

Tegg Bode

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07-29-2008 23:05

From: Chosen Few

A lot of Escher stuff can't actually exist in 3D, which is pretty much the point. Many of his drawings exploit the commonly accepted rules of what constitutes the illusion of 3D perspective in a 2D space, to turn those rules in on themselves.

"Waterfall" is a pretty good example of this. The form is an illusion, which only works in 2D. It cannot exist in 3D at all. You could do something that sort of looks like it, sure, but it would be missing the point. It would have to follow laws of 3D space, which would mean radically changing many of the angles involved. About the best you'd be able to say at that point is "Hey, look at this silly thing that defies gravity". All the brilliance of Escher's actual design would be lost, since his not only defies gravity, but defies space. By definition, that's just not something you can ever do in 3D.

Ah, but can we depict 4D objects that can't exist in a 3D medium?

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07-30-2008 01:29

From: Tegg Bode

Ah, but can we depict 4D objects that can't exist in a 3D medium?

Yes, but we don't have the time.

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07-30-2008 02:15

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Yes, but we don't have the time.

lol

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07-30-2008 03:48

From: Sling Trebuchet

Yes, but we don't have the time.

Busy doing nothing?

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is there any Escher in world?
Crunch Underwood Mr. Grown up, Go away sir Join date: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 624	07-29-2008 19:11 i have tier free 512 through my premium membership that i'v never bothered to buy, i was thinking today that with the low prices i should buy one and build something random on it. perhaps eschers waterfall or his stairs (and with the david bowie 24 hour music feed that would be super fantasticaly awsome) i'm not inworld till later today so can't have a look but i was wondering if anyone knows of any escher-esk builds that i could look at and get some idea's from cheers EDIT: wanted to add this wiki link for people to learn more about M.C. Escher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._C._Escher -Crunch _____________________ ---------------------------------------------- So your final Nimbus Score is 8.15, a quite remarkable achievement for a biped. Congratulations Crunch, you should be very proud.
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	07-29-2008 19:34 Escher Relativity House http://slurl.com/secondlife/Twist%20of%20Fate/72/205/35 _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Alicia Sautereau if (!social) hide; Join date: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 3,125	07-29-2008 19:58 to really have fun with it, prims should have a gravity attribute so you can walk as intented and not be restricted by gravity the day that happens, you would see some true amazing ****
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	07-29-2008 20:03 the Escher House does have variable gravity...it's actually 3 houses with local tps. _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Chosen Few Alpha Channel Slave Join date: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 7,496	07-29-2008 20:11 A lot of Escher stuff can't actually exist in 3D, which is pretty much the point. Many of his drawings exploit the commonly accepted rules of what constitutes the illusion of 3D perspective in a 2D space, to turn those rules in on themselves. "Waterfall" is a pretty good example of this. The form is an illusion, which only works in 2D. It cannot exist in 3D at all. You could do something that sort of looks like it, sure, but it would be missing the point. It would have to follow laws of 3D space, which would mean radically changing many of the angles involved. About the best you'd be able to say at that point is "Hey, look at this silly thing that defies gravity". All the brilliance of Escher's actual design would be lost, since his not only defies gravity, but defies space. By definition, that's just not something you can ever do in 3D. _____________________ . Land now available for rent in Indigo. Low rates. Quiet, low-lag mainland sim with good neighbors. IM me in-world if you're interested.
Blot Brickworks The end of days Join date: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 1,076	07-29-2008 20:15 Just popped over there and it is great fun but very hard to cam around.Twice while sitting I stood up to find myself dumped on the ground. I think the stairs need to be wider although that is nitpicking,It's worth a visit. _____________________ Blots Plot @ THE OLD MERMAID INN http://slurl.com/secondlife/Dunbeath /206/85/26 http://phillplasma.com/2009/05/01/blots-plot-the-old-mermaid-inn/
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	07-29-2008 20:58 There are other kinds of illusions that are sort of Escher scrambled, putting 2D imagery on 3D surfaces which you only get the proper effect of viewed from a specific place. Stuff like this: So I guess one could start with an Escher drawing, project that onto a 3D build, and when you got in the right place, there would be an Escher drawing doing it's weird trickery on you. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Seifert Surface Mathematician Join date: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 912	07-29-2008 22:22 There are a couple of things along the lines of the illusions that depend on viewing from a very specific angle which do work in SL, but in general the tricks are more like theater than 2d graphic design. The Ames room (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ames_room) works reasonably well from a number of angles close to the "perfect" angle: http://slurl.com/secondlife/xyz/133/20/500 I also managed a passable "impossible trident" using invisiprims: http://slurl.com/secondlife/xyz/230/49/500 _____________________ -Seifert Surface 2G!tGLf 2nLt9cG
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	07-29-2008 22:49 One might be able to make some angel-demon tessellations with sculpties. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Bree Giffen ♥♣♦♠ Furrtune Hunter ♠♦♣♥ Join date: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 2,715	07-29-2008 22:50 How about the crooked house? That one always makes me feel a little dizzy.
DaQbet Kish cautiously reckless Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,064	07-29-2008 22:54 From: SuezanneC Baskerville One might be able to make some angel-demon tessellations with sculpties. I want this as a name for my next alt
Tegg Bode FrootLoop Roo Overlord Join date: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,707	07-29-2008 23:05 From: Chosen Few A lot of Escher stuff can't actually exist in 3D, which is pretty much the point. Many of his drawings exploit the commonly accepted rules of what constitutes the illusion of 3D perspective in a 2D space, to turn those rules in on themselves. "Waterfall" is a pretty good example of this. The form is an illusion, which only works in 2D. It cannot exist in 3D at all. You could do something that sort of looks like it, sure, but it would be missing the point. It would have to follow laws of 3D space, which would mean radically changing many of the angles involved. About the best you'd be able to say at that point is "Hey, look at this silly thing that defies gravity". All the brilliance of Escher's actual design would be lost, since his not only defies gravity, but defies space. By definition, that's just not something you can ever do in 3D. Ah, but can we depict 4D objects that can't exist in a 3D medium? _____________________ Level 38 Builder [Roo Clan] Free Waterside & Roadside Vehicle Rez Platform, Desire (88, 17, 107) Avatars & Roadside Seaview shops and vendorspace for rent, $2.00/prim/week, Desire (175,48,107)
Sling Trebuchet Deleted User Join date: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,548	07-30-2008 01:29 From: Tegg Bode Ah, but can we depict 4D objects that can't exist in a 3D medium? Yes, but we don't have the time. _____________________ Maggie: We give our residents a lot of tools, to build, create, and manage their lands and objects. That flexibility also requires people to exercise judgment about when things should be used. http://www.ace-exchange.com/home/story/BDVR/589
Tegg Bode FrootLoop Roo Overlord Join date: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,707	07-30-2008 02:15 From: Sling Trebuchet Yes, but we don't have the time. lol _____________________ Level 38 Builder [Roo Clan] Free Waterside & Roadside Vehicle Rez Platform, Desire (88, 17, 107) Avatars & Roadside Seaview shops and vendorspace for rent, $2.00/prim/week, Desire (175,48,107)
Pserendipity Daniels Assume sarcasm as default Join date: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,839	07-30-2008 03:48 From: Sling Trebuchet Yes, but we don't have the time. Busy doing nothing? Pep (Bing's definition of golf as well) _____________________ Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!

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