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Slim McGinnis

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10-27-2007 14:01

I'm a noob (only two weeks in SL) and am wanting to rent some property to build on. I would prefer a mountain forest over an island.

I'd really like to hear what to look out for. What "rights" should I expect? Is 512sqm enough for a cottage with a small pool? Can I expect to be allowed to terraform the lot? What's usually negotiable and what's not? Is $350L per week an appropriate expectation?

Thanks!!
Slim

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10-27-2007 14:04

Welcome to SecondLife Slim!

A 512 allows 117 prims and a 1024 is a 234. I am all for planning ahead - I suggest get the 1024 so you can have some room to move around if your neighbors decided to cramp your style.

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Raymond Figtree

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10-27-2007 14:10

IM Skye Whitcroft and see what she has available. She has lots of mainland for rent and you would have terraform permissions. And I agree 1024 will give you more prims to play with. 117 you get on a 512 go fast.

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Blaidd Tae

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10-27-2007 14:15

go for a 1024. you'll run out of prims fast but that's more than a 512.

another suggestion is to build in a sandbox. you'll at least get the hang of building without having to worry about prims too much. just make sure you clean up after yourself.

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Oryx Tempel

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10-27-2007 14:16

From: Slim McGinnis

I'd really like to hear what to look out for. What "rights" should I expect? Is 512sqm enough for a cottage with a small pool? Can I expect to be allowed to terraform the lot? What's usually negotiable and what's not? Is $350L per week an appropriate expectation?

Hiya Slim!

The only way that you could get terraform rights is if the landowner allows it. Some do, some don't. Be sure to read the covenant on any land you're considering renting. Some landowners have certain ideas of how they want their sim to look; I have one friend who allows only Spanish/Moroccan style builds on her island in order to keep that look constant. As far as what's negotiable...I'd say that it varies wildly, depending on the landowner. I know I'm not being very informative, but the answers to your questions all reside with the landowner.

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Raymond Figtree

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10-27-2007 14:25

Not sure what Darien Caldwell's rules are on her estates regarding terraforming or what her prices are, but she might be another person to check with.

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Nika Talaj

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10-27-2007 14:32

Hi Slim, welcome to SL! I love mountain forest as well, in fact I rent some (with terraforming rights) on a lovely set of islands.

One caution when looking at hilly terrain: if the sq meters of virtual land you are paying for runs up the shear face of a mountain, well you simply lose that from your buildable space. So do go look at a very flat 512 or 1024 (they are very common!) just to get a sense for how much space you want/need, before you look at hilly areas. And always have "View/property lines" turned on!

Desmond Shang

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10-27-2007 14:38

From: Slim McGinnis

I'm a noob (only two weeks in SL) and am wanting to rent some property to build on. I would prefer a mountain forest over an island.

I'd really like to hear what to look out for. What "rights" should I expect? Is 512sqm enough for a cottage with a small pool? Can I expect to be allowed to terraform the lot? What's usually negotiable and what's not? Is $350L per week an appropriate expectation?

Thanks!!
Slim

Check the covenant if it's a private island - that should explain your rights but realise, all 'rights' are simply at the pleasure of the sim owner - we all have a reclaim button.

Were there truly actionable rights, you would have the reclaim button, not us...

512m is pretty lean, unless it's double prim land.

Terraforming: might be 'none', might be +/- 4m (most mainland), might be +/- 100m. Check out the estate first, ask. 100m terraforming sounds great but to be honest, it's not 25 times better than 4m terraforming as it might seem. There's only so much you can do with a 100m death spire of doom jutting from the landscape, or a Pit to Hades...

Pretty much everything is negotiable, but some areas, a sim owner may not be willing to negotiate just because he would look (and be) inconsistent if he changed rules for you.

$L 350/wk - I'm pretty sure you can find it, maybe even for 1024m standard.

Good luck!

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Slim McGinnis Registered User Join date: 19 Oct 2007 Posts: 53	10-27-2007 14:01 I'm a noob (only two weeks in SL) and am wanting to rent some property to build on. I would prefer a mountain forest over an island. I'd really like to hear what to look out for. What "rights" should I expect? Is 512sqm enough for a cottage with a small pool? Can I expect to be allowed to terraform the lot? What's usually negotiable and what's not? Is $350L per week an appropriate expectation? Thanks!! Slim
Xplorer Cannoli Cache Cleaner Join date: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 1,131	10-27-2007 14:04 Welcome to SecondLife Slim! A 512 allows 117 prims and a 1024 is a 234. I am all for planning ahead - I suggest get the 1024 so you can have some room to move around if your neighbors decided to cramp your style. _____________________ Region Names for a Themed Shopping Experience: New Region: Gifts Accessories, Art, Avatars, Cars, Clothes, Clothing, Fashion, Fashions, Furnishings, Furniture, Gadgets, Games, Gifts, Hair, Jewellery, Jewelry, Mall, Men, Money, Music, Pets, Shoes, Shopping, Skin, Skins, Something, Women, X Attractions: Explore our new park at HOME New Racetrack at CAR WEAPONS Region Now Open!
Raymond Figtree Gone, avi, gone Join date: 17 May 2006 Posts: 6,256	10-27-2007 14:10 IM Skye Whitcroft and see what she has available. She has lots of mainland for rent and you would have terraform permissions. And I agree 1024 will give you more prims to play with. 117 you get on a 512 go fast. _____________________ Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
Blaidd Tae Freelance Consultant Join date: 3 Jan 2007 Posts: 116	10-27-2007 14:15 go for a 1024. you'll run out of prims fast but that's more than a 512. another suggestion is to build in a sandbox. you'll at least get the hang of building without having to worry about prims too much. just make sure you clean up after yourself. _____________________ SL Freelance Consultant
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	10-27-2007 14:16 From: Slim McGinnis I'd really like to hear what to look out for. What "rights" should I expect? Is 512sqm enough for a cottage with a small pool? Can I expect to be allowed to terraform the lot? What's usually negotiable and what's not? Is $350L per week an appropriate expectation? Hiya Slim! The only way that you could get terraform rights is if the landowner allows it. Some do, some don't. Be sure to read the covenant on any land you're considering renting. Some landowners have certain ideas of how they want their sim to look; I have one friend who allows only Spanish/Moroccan style builds on her island in order to keep that look constant. As far as what's negotiable...I'd say that it varies wildly, depending on the landowner. I know I'm not being very informative, but the answers to your questions all reside with the landowner. _____________________
Raymond Figtree Gone, avi, gone Join date: 17 May 2006 Posts: 6,256	10-27-2007 14:25 Not sure what Darien Caldwell's rules are on her estates regarding terraforming or what her prices are, but she might be another person to check with. _____________________ Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
Nika Talaj now you see her ... Join date: 2 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,449	10-27-2007 14:32 Hi Slim, welcome to SL! I love mountain forest as well, in fact I rent some (with terraforming rights) on a lovely set of islands. One caution when looking at hilly terrain: if the sq meters of virtual land you are paying for runs up the shear face of a mountain, well you simply lose that from your buildable space. So do go look at a very flat 512 or 1024 (they are very common!) just to get a sense for how much space you want/need, before you look at hilly areas. And always have "View/property lines" turned on!
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	10-27-2007 14:38 From: Slim McGinnis I'm a noob (only two weeks in SL) and am wanting to rent some property to build on. I would prefer a mountain forest over an island. I'd really like to hear what to look out for. What "rights" should I expect? Is 512sqm enough for a cottage with a small pool? Can I expect to be allowed to terraform the lot? What's usually negotiable and what's not? Is $350L per week an appropriate expectation? Thanks!! Slim Check the covenant if it's a private island - that should explain your rights but realise, all 'rights' are simply at the pleasure of the sim owner - we all have a reclaim button. Were there truly actionable rights, you would have the reclaim button, not us... 512m is pretty lean, unless it's double prim land. Terraforming: might be 'none', might be +/- 4m (most mainland), might be +/- 100m. Check out the estate first, ask. 100m terraforming sounds great but to be honest, it's not 25 times better than 4m terraforming as it might seem. There's only so much you can do with a 100m death spire of doom jutting from the landscape, or a Pit to Hades... Pretty much everything is negotiable, but some areas, a sim owner may not be willing to negotiate just because he would look (and be) inconsistent if he changed rules for you. $L 350/wk - I'm pretty sure you can find it, maybe even for 1024m standard. Good luck! _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!