ZYNGO - are you doing well ????

Inworld I hear stories of people winning lots of Zyngo-games and L$'s.
I have been playing Zyngo for quitte while now but not with much success.....

Of course it is a gambling-type of game and i am not complaining of loosing money on it as that's the risk, but i surprises me ...

I have tried the games that payout on a specific time, allthough these are less common nowadays.
And of course the instant payout games.

Problem on these games is, in my opinion, the high score to beat on the well-paying machines.
The machines with a low score to beat usually payout just 1,5 or 2x.

But, even these low payout machines with a score of 39999 or a little bit more are sometimes hard to beat lol; and with a 2x payout you are facing a loss very fast...

So, that brings me to my question ...: how are you doing with Zyngo?

Is this still allowed in SL?

lol, it was banned from SL but it is back again ... quitte a while already !!

yes and judging rom how it got bak and what perople have said the steps taken to get it back in world you have to wonder if LL's legal team has accually looked at it or if it back from a walk threw,ie did somebody ask the lawers what would be legal and they made a call base on what they said as opposed to the legal team accually taking the thing apart and making a call

i'm telling you the very first person who makes a claim to there Credit Card company that they are refusing to pay becouse it's is an illegal charge they will be gone agian

Of course in explaining why it is illegal to their credit card company they are going to have to make an admission that they engaged in an illegal act. That's kind of like protesting the bill on your credit card for hiring a prostitute. Given the way the UIGEA works, the credit card company might also be inclined to terminate the credit card account and notify the cardholders local law enforcement authorities.

Further, while it is certainly clear Zyngo violates the actual terms of Linden Lab's wagering policy, it is not even remotely clear that these games would consitute "unlawful internet gambling" under the UIGEA which is Linden Lab's real concern in instituting the policy. Linden Lab made the policy broad enough to hit any game of chance regardless of skill involved so it could cover games like poker, but it enforces it using discretion based on whether it thinks the game will actually fall under the scope of the UIGEA.

aren't we going a bit off topic right now???

Argyle, the creator of Zyngo, works with the Lindens to verify that his games are legal. Zyngo is currently not banned. Don't ask me the technical details: the game vaguely resembles a slot machine, and Zyngo parlors look like casinos, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the mechanics of the game violate the wagering ban. I can't speak to whether they'll change their policy sometime in the future, or even 5 minutes from now, but currently the Lindens do not take any steps to remove Zyngo machines or classified ads for Zyngo parlors.

To answer the OP's question, every score corresponds to a percentage of wins that the owner of the machine can find if they have enough data from plays. The house takes that percent and sets the payout so that the house wins overall, but doesn't win so much that they lose all their customers to more "generous" establishments (those with higher payouts vs. the same score). So it's perfectly possible to walk in and win big, but over a long period of time you are unlikely to come out ahead.

these games do not breach TOS, LL checks and double checks each and every new game that comes into the market.

I personally own a few machines, have friends that run full sims of these machines and know people who create new games. Perhaps you should learn a bit more befor you start spouting off that these machines are illegal.

back to topic

how am i doing with zyngo? quite well, altho i just play for fun and not to win

Fairy, i'd suggest going to Heaven the owner there really looks after her customers and always has low score machines, not to mention live musicians and heaps of different machines other than zyngo to play. personally i'm a fan of piratez. not many of those around anymore tho.

-Crunch

I still do fairly well when I find a game that I think is playable. The major skill with zyngo is knowing which machines to play. You've got to have a solid understanding of what scores to expect over a certain number of games, and compare that to how many games you can play and still make a profit if you win. In the days before the gambling ban, it was fairly common to be able to make L$20,000 or more in a night. Now that there are a lot fewer places with good machines, you can't make that much, but it's still fairly easy to come out ahead if you're careful. Most months I can cover my tier plus the payouts on my own games by playing at other places. I do really miss the big prizes that were available a year ago.

And zyngo, devil may care, and several other games have been declared legal for SL purposes (SLegal?) by the governance team.

I guess I'm out of luck with Zyngo... if I hit a nice score in a try, you can bet - and win! - that the !*"?&% Devil shows up in Round 19 and there goes my lovely score...

iv seen a few high pay games around, like over 100K there rare tho. most i'v paid out on one of my games is 32K

-Crunch

ahh no thats what acually got this whole thing started deveral people claimed that the CCC could not colect thecharges on there CC's becouse it was illegal to gamble in there state and they won sothe CC,s put there foot down and said they would not prosess any companys charges that could be used as a learing house for gambling(what is called off shore gambling in the usa

there are a few of these high paying machines indeed but they usually have a very hard to beat score to beat ........... (understandable of course ...)

I do look for machines with a good payout ratio combined with a not too high score to beat, but most machines that payout 7 x or 10 x have a score of minimum 65000 beat.
Such a score is very well possible, but howmany times in those 7 games you have to at least break even the devils spoil it for you ..... so you finally end up loosing money ...

are there stll large places that have times games? Search only give a few ...

I find that hard to believe. And if it's true, then I'm pissed that they have to spend that much time policing gambling, when that time could be better spent.

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Every score has a corresponding percentage chance of winning the game (complicated by the fact that Zyngo has a skill element: probably the main reason it's not in violation of the wagering ban). This percentage isn't published, but can be figured out after enough plays to make a trustworthy dataset.

So the successful establishment sets the payout and score so that the house always wins over time, but doesn't win so big that it drives its customers away to more "generous" houses with lower margins.

So, yes, if you play enough over time you should always lose money. You could probably do very well if you find a start-up house that doesn't know what it's doing. But they will learn very fast, or go bust on you.

i said that incorrectly, i ment each new game type. ie mushrooms, pirates, slingo, all these games and any new games that might be classed as gambling have to be sent full perm to LL for testing to make sure it is a game of skill and not gambling

-Crunch

The latter has nothing to do with the former. The former is written language which clearly states that ANY game which requires a wager and has an element of chance analagous to random number generation which may influence the outcome of the game is not allowed REGARDLESS of any element of skill involved. The latter is Linden Lab giving some games a free pass. It's called selective enforcement but it does mean that you don't have to worry about operating or playing a Zyngo machine or any of the other games that go through this vetting process.

What you said is only true of the instant win games. There's still some places around with good timed games, but not nearly as many as there used to be.

i know of one...

/me looks towards her sig...