Thank you for allowing me to ask this question. One of my girlfriends related a story to me.
I'd like your input per the title. I'll try to be brief.
1. A guy told her after hitting on her and asking her to dance a few months ago that he was "asked by microsoft" to develop a "new SL" and that it was almost finished...with no lag.
2. He gave her an external link to login to it, though she never did.
3. He also invited her to his SL sim which rezzed straight away and had no lag yet consisted of several vehicles and explained to her that the reason SL has lag is due to broken scripts and he had none. He bragged about all the land he owned and really tried a snow job on her.
I am guessing she was being fed a load of bull and that he was referring merely to OpenSource (?)
and merely trying to impress her with the rest of the story and his "miraculous" no lag sim.
How much of this story sounds like baloney? And if it was OpenSource, am I correct in assuming that is not a "new SL", nor was this individual asked by MS to develop it, and what are the limitations of it? (I would think if it was as he described, everyone would be there.)
Thanks for the input.
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Denver Ghost
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12-29-2009 19:12
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Jenshae Werefox
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12-29-2009 19:17
I heard that FUncom has a type of Second Life in the works but that isn't even in Alpha testing.
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Ceera Murakami
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12-29-2009 20:00
Sounds more to me like he showed her an OpenSim stand-alone SL clone. OpenSim is a reverse-engineered SL Server platform, that does not have as many of the features functioning that SL has. Little things like not having all the LSL scripting commands working, not being able to import animations, no economy, poor physics... For all its bugs, SL is still light years ahead of the OpenSim options. But if he TP'ed her to an otherwise empty OpenSim stand-alone, with fairly little content in it, sure, it will seem to be very low lag. So does any SL Class 5 sim that is detached from all other sins and unoccupied, and not loaded down with scripted content.
As for the claim that MS had hired him to make an SL clone? I call it pure BS. MS would never hire just ONE coder for a task like that, nor could an individual complete such an assignment. Even if he was part of a TEAM doing that, he'd be under a tight non-disclosure agreement, and would get fired for showing off the alpha version to a girl to impress her. _____________________
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Johan Laurasia
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12-29-2009 20:16
OpenSim was not reverse engineered. To reverse engineer, you'd need to have the runtime code, (which is NOT available), and then decompile it, and go from there. OpenSim was able to be written because the client was open sourced, and through studying the client source code, server code was able to be written (or forward engineered if you will) from there. Sounds to me like he was some putz running openSim. I've had a grid up and running on my machine, and yeah, it's really lag free, mainly because A) I'm the only one there, and B) Few if any scripts were running at all. Lag in SL is not due to 'broken scripts' whatever that might be, it's from WAY TOO MANY scripts being ran in a particular sim group. That combined with poor foresight by LL in the design and limitations of script writing along with inefficient coders and how sims handle running out of script memory (sim servers split memory between running scripts and remembering where objects are and such) also contributes to the lag problem.
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Nika Talaj
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12-29-2009 20:55
OpenSim was not reverse engineered. To reverse engineer, you'd need to have the runtime code, (which is NOT available), and then decompile it, and go from there. .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering Though wikipedia is not an unimpeachable source, I agree with this writeup. OpenSim is widely described as a reverse engineered SL server architecture. . |
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-29-2009 20:59
I suspect the reverse engineering of sim operation began before the client was open sourced, by packet sniffing and related techniques. Libsecondlife started before the client was open source, and I think figuring out what the server and other systems do was a part of the process of figuring out how to produce libsecondlife. I think you can assume that figuring out what the server was doing was a part of that process.
According to wikipedia: Reverse engineering of software can be accomplished by various methods. The three main groups of software reverse engineering are 1. Analysis through observation of information exchange, most prevalent in protocol reverse engineering, which involves using bus analyzers and packet sniffers, for example, for accessing a computer bus or computer network connection and revealing the traffic data thereon. Bus or network behavior can then be analyzed to produce a stand-alone implementation that mimics that behavior. This is especially useful for reverse engineering device drivers. Sometimes, reverse engineering on embedded systems is greatly assisted by tools deliberately introduced by the manufacturer, such as JTAG ports or other debugging means. In Microsoft Windows, low-level debuggers such as SoftICE are popular. and n practice, two main types of reverse engineering emerge. In the first case, source code is already available for the software, but higher-level aspects of the program, perhaps poorly documented or documented but no longer valid, are discovered. In the second case, there is no source code available for the software, and any efforts towards discovering one possible source code for the software are regarded as reverse engineering. "Any efforts towards discovering one possible source code for the software are regarded as reverse engineering" is a pretty broad statement. As for the OP's story, I think it's possible to go to a sim in SL and not have a lot of sim lag. I do it a lot. Depends on what's in the sim. A sim with a few vehicles in it need not be overloaded or straining. Just from what was said, I don't see any reason to believe the person worked for Microsoft, or owned the sim they went to. No need to assume that an OpenSim region was involved. If there was an OpenSim region involved, the person who was taken there would have needed to start a viewer that either defaulted to login in the OpenSim region, or use a viewer that allows one to choose whether to log in to SL, Reaction Grid, OpenGrid, or a private OpenSim region, or modify a shortcut to make it login in to the proper place. _____________________
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12-29-2009 21:28
so some guy, told some girl, who told you, who's telling us.....
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Jig Chippewa
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12-29-2009 21:48
"Snow job"? These newbies will say anything to get into our pants.
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Nika Talaj
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12-29-2009 21:49
Microsoft officially shut down its SL presence this last Halloween, and now uses "ReactionGrid" for its 3D collaboration events and meetings. ReactionGrid (RG for short) is an OpenSim-based grid that somehow also makes use of u$'s Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2008. Since OpenSim is C# and thus .NET-friendly, it's a natural fit. Yes, RG does claim high efficiency and a large number of avatars/sim. It is a PG environment, billed as "the 3D Virtual World for business, education, collaboration, and learning".
I'm sure losing Microsoft cost LL a bit of heartburn. I doubt, however, that your friend ran into anyone from RG. It just seems bizarre that those folks would spend any time picking up random bimbos in SL. ETA: but then, there's Bill Clinton. I guess stranger things have happened! |
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Tegg Bode
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12-29-2009 22:08
OpenSim not reverse engineered? Well it's certainly done a great job of cloning all SL's greatest mistakes so far in it's quest for compatibility. One day it might be as good as SL was last year
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Phil Deakins
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12-30-2009 03:28
"Snow job"? These newbies will say anything to get into our pants.  _____________________
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Melita Magic
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12-30-2009 03:45
No matter what he was referring to he was exaggerating and twisting some things to try to impress her/get her to bend to his evil whims. Tell her to mute him.
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Phil Deakins
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12-30-2009 03:54
Microsoft once invited me to their headquarters to help them with their new search engine that was in development, but I would have been one of an unpaid team of people from around the world, which was formed to offer their thoughts from their experience, so MS does go outside when it's suitable and it's possible that the guy was greatly embellishing some communication with MS.
Perhaps I should go around saying that MS asked me to develope their search engine for them But then I don't want to get into anyone's knickers in SL._____________________
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Denver Ghost
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12-30-2009 11:53
More info.....the guy called it "A Future Life" ???
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-30-2009 12:05
More info.....the guy called it "A Future Life" ??? afuturelife.com produces This Account Has Been Suspended Please contact the support department as soon as possible, and please have your site name ready. which is from bluehost. There apparently was or is an opensim related entity call "A Future Life", with a link to the defunct url given at http://www.yosims.com/opensim/a_future_life/a-future-life/ The opensim info page at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Grid_List/A_Future_Life shows it as closed. _____________________
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12-30-2009 12:06
More info.....the guy called it "A Future Life" ??? And I call him full of it. He's trying to sucker her into a stand-alone opensim for teh sexxors. |