Is it really necessary?

I have constantly lost items from my inventory due to items being no copy, why do designers insist on making things no copy, i understand no transfer and im cool with it but do things really need to be no copy as well as no transfer.

I lost thousands of dollars worth of sine wave dances due to this very stupid way of selling. The worst part is they will not replace lost items due to sl having issues, if that is the case why not just make the dances copy, is it really so hard to do.

That is my rant for today, what are thoughts on this?

Animations can be put into a dance ball and used, at the same time, by as many people as you can stuff into the sim.

If you make an animation copy/no-transfer, the owner can do this at as many places as they want. If it's no-copy/transfer, it can only be done by one place.

edit: and, yeah, inventory loss sucks.

What she said above. I would love to see them copy. I could put one purchase in 50 clubs then rather buy them over and over again.

Some items wont ever be copy by their very nature. Case in point.

I wouldnt mind it as much if they would replace the items though, its the decent thing to do

There are many places that sell copy dances. And sure, while a club owner could do what you suggest, I'm pretty certain most buyers will still be the "common man" who want dances for their own dance huds. I just don't buy into the club-owner-filling-balls-reasoning for keeping dances no copy. Sure, club owners may do that, it won't end sales.

Most clubs have a dance animator anyway, it's not like they're putting out individual pose balls.

Yes, one copy could be put into 50 clubs but how many people would be using it more than twice? Club system and personal animator.

What I've seen in some places selling furniture or landscaping items is to offer a no-copy version as well as a copy version at a higher price. Sort of a wholesale deal. Seems fair.

I wasn't saying I liked it, I was just offering one reason why it's done.

Maybe dance balls isn't that good of an example. Dance poles or couples anims would have been better..

It does, considering that furniture stores make their sales through individual purchases. In real life, you can't walk into a furniture store and empty their shelves of a specific model at the price of one. It doesn't make much sense in SL, either.

I'm iffy on dance animations. On the one hand, if an animation is copiable, then there's nothing stopping a club owner from rezzing fifty copies of a dance ball containing those animations. On the other hand, what possible benefit would a club owner gain from doing so? Fifty balls in one club is prim pollution; and someone trying to manage fifty separate clubs is doomed to quick failure anyway; so, really - what's the point?

Is it possible to make something no copy/no transfer? Maybe with animations? Can't do it with prims or clothing layers.

Dance poles is a good example. However, in this case, maybe it would be better if the poles were no-copy, just like any other piece of furniture, as opposed to making the anims no-copy.

No. An item can be no-copy or no-transfer; but not both.

The notable exception is with prims, as they can be used as containers. One can effectively make a no-permissions prim simply by marking it no-mod/no-copy, and then placing a no-transfer asset inside it.

Stick a no copy item in a no transfer prim. If the item is important to the operation of the prim then you achieve the goal I believe, but it's a botched way of getting around the permissions system, not being able to set items no copy and no transfer was designed for a reason.

As a furniture maker/seller, I can tell you why my stuff is no-copy. It's because I started in the skybox rental business and I know what some people would want copy/no-trans items for. I had 60 skybox up and rented out before I went into the furniture business and, for some people, that's a very lor number.

I sometimes get asked for copy/no-trans items, and offered much more for each item, but much more is around 3x the normal price and not 10x or 20x the price. Instead, I do quantity discounts, getting up to a third off, and items are mixable within types. Most people who ask for copy/no-trans actually buy at quantity discount.

You have 50 clubs? REALLY? I've heard of losing money on a property but making it up in volume, but I never heard of anyone actually doing it.

sinewave sells them both ways now..copy or no copy..i wish they had thought of it a lot sooner though..
i have a bunch of their no copy dances..i never really seen copy dances from them until they started selling the dance poles that came with them..

i don't mind paying a bit more for copy..i do hate losing a no copy and being told it's my tuff luck though..

once a month make a copy of your transaction history so you can prove you bought something..it helps with some of them if you show you have been spending at their store for a long time..

if you lost thousands of dollars worth of dances and asking for them to give you thousands of dollars worth of stuff and it is not their fault..it may be hard for them to hand that over without some kind of proof you bought them..

maybe look back on old chat logs saying "Thank you Dove Randt for your purchase of such and such dance*
Thats if you haven't been keeping copies of your transaction history..

Thats about the only way i can think of finding any proof that someone paid would be one of those two ways..the sad thing is they could still say.not our fault..but hopefully they won't..
i hope they somehow come back to you..also there may be a way to find what was lost..let me find the link..it may help you get some of it back..

kk here it is..not sure if it wil help or not but it's worth a try..

No Copy = more profit for the seller . I wouldn't be surprised to even find tip jars in a store that sells a lot of no copy items.

This is what I plan to do with my curtains. I sell them for $25L, Mod/Transfer. I believe the price to be low enough that if a person needs more than 1 curtain, it is still a very low price.

I've been finding, however, that one person tends to purchase 4-6 at a time, so I'm going to add a Mod/Copy version for more money. It will be interesting to see how that goes.

*(Note: I've always had info in my picks that I will negotiate for large orders for landlords, etc. but no one has ever contacted me.)

As for items of furniture, I prefer to sell them Mod/Transfer. I can't see why someone would want 5 sofas, for instance (except for the case of landlords again) and I personally prefer to give or sell items I no longer use. Will have to give offering both options some thought on that, but will start with the curtains.

I also think this is fair and reasonable. I thought about offering our landscaping products this way, but decided to just go ahead and make them all copiable. I decided that even if one or two large property-holders rezzed 20 or 50 copies of our gardens on his or her land, it was worth it to me to help other customers avoid the pain of inventory loss. It also makes bookkeeping easier to sell each model at just one price.

I don't expect to lose a large quantity of sales to land barons who might have bought no-copy items in bulk - we're just a small, new operation. Hell, if a land baron wants to rez 50 copies of our gardens, so much the better, more exposure for us!

Download transaction history every month in case of calamity such as this. It's your proof of purchase.

Cool, just what we need more clubs, guessing the first 49 were so ragingly sucessfull you needed another

I don't have nay trouble loosing no copy items than copy items, I very rarely lose anything, I have deleted things accidently, transfered them to alts by mistake or put them in wrong folders.