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Stopping Groups from Showing I'm Online

TundraFire Nightfire
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02-10-2009 21:46
Is there a way to tweak the online notification in the group members' list? I know we can pick and choose which friends to allow to see us online, but can that be done with groups?
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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02-10-2009 21:49
you can choose to not have a group show in your profile group list

however you can not stop yourself from showing within the group it's self

so if anyone is in the same group they will be able to see if you are online
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Bradley Bracken
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02-10-2009 21:49
Unfortunately there's not. Currently there is no true way to be invisible in SL.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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02-10-2009 21:50
From: Bradley Bracken
Unfortunately there's not. Currently there is no true way to be invisible in SL.


yeah and that sucks

cuz even if you check the show online to friends only etc

people can still see when you come on via using a script.

blech...
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foehn Breed
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02-10-2009 22:20
I don't think groups should show if you are online, hell it even shows the last logged in time, why?
WHY?
I keep trying to figure why LL has the whole visible feature anyway.
Is it a remnant from when the community was smaller? Well it's not anymore!
w/ All the complaints residents have w/ ea other, why not get rid of the online status to the masses even more.
You msg some one if they are online/inworld, they will msg back, simple.
Is there a Jira for this?
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foehn Breed
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02-10-2009 22:22
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
yeah and that sucks

cuz even if you check the show online to friends only etc

people can still see when you come on via using a script.

blech...


I hate those, never used one.
Some one revels they knew I was online from that and it's it's uh humm and a -.-.
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Crystal Falcon
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02-11-2009 03:14
If you don't want anyone at all to see that you are online, why are you online? ;) Anyways, the simple answer is to log on either with an alt or to the beta grid?

An alternative, if you only need notices from the group, simply join it with an alt instead? After over a year without an alt, I made one simply to have more than 25 group memberships! :)

I love having the last logged in date, it helps to check in on friends in need. :cool: Sharing information helps strengthen community!

Foehn, if you message me, I will message back regardless if I'm online or not, as long as my phone is in reach (or computer on)... ;)

As for scripts being able to see if people are on, this was IMMENSELY helpful when I tried purchasing an expensive item whose external server failed. I IM'd and sent a notecard with details as the merchant requested to no avail. Weeks later I'd tried again and was worrying their transactions would expire...

Anyways, a script noticing when she logged on, and a message delivered a few minutes after that, and voilĂ , product delivered within hours! :)
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foehn Breed
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02-11-2009 08:46
I disagree, if I am online, it's my biz, my time.
Hell most other apps, allow true invisia options.
I refuse to "get an alt" or log in some where else as a compromise,
it's not a compromise, it's letting jerkoffs win.
I don't need to "check up" on friends, they talk to me and vice versa.
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Gabriele Graves
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02-11-2009 09:03
From: foehn Breed
I disagree, if I am online, it's my biz, my time.
Hell most other apps, allow true invisia options.
I refuse to "get an alt" or log in some where else as a compromise,
it's not a compromise, it's letting jerkoffs win.
I don't need to "check up" on friends, they talk to me and vice versa.
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02-11-2009 09:33
From: Crystal Falcon
If you don't want anyone at all to see that you are online, why are you online?
You might as well ask why I ever go outside my house and leave my cellphone behind.

Being "in world" in SL should be a whole different thing from being "online" in the instant message services of SL. Because, unlike chat systems, there's a lot of stuff you do in SL that doesn't involve being "online".
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TundraFire Nightfire
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02-11-2009 09:41
I don't want to be bothered when I make things, and if I use an alt, then TundraFire is not the creator but my alt is.
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Ceka Cianci
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02-11-2009 09:50
i don't even bother with showing i am offline anymore..
if i am busy i will get to the IM when i have time..my friends are used to it and figure that's the case..
if someone starts to freak out because i haven't answered an IM and they get pissy..they get an ear full..
but if i go to answer an IM i always tell them sorry i was working on this or that or idle and in the kitchen or something..
most just reply with "yes i figured it had to be something like that"..

one thing i cannot stand is when someone IM's me and i respond right away and they do 5 minute intermissions between post up..most times i just close those until they are more serious..because it seems like they are in too Many IM's already and i have stuff to do..
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02-11-2009 12:45
From: foehn Breed
I disagree, if I am online, it's my biz, my time.
Hell most other apps, allow true invisia options.
I refuse to "get an alt" or log in some where else as a compromise,
it's not a compromise, it's letting jerkoffs win.
I don't need to "check up" on friends, they talk to me and vice versa.
Maybe you are missing the feature that makes you truly invisible? ;) It's there, many people use it who want to. Do we really need ANOTHER way? Sure, it's not the most intuitive, you have to type in a different name before you click connect, but it's no harder than anything you've done in SL before? :p

But really, no "jerkoffs win" when you refuse to take advantage of the option available to you, or frustrate yourself (debatable, LOL), there is no game after all! :) If it upsets you so much that you want to call people names, perhaps it might be worth approaching your issue differently?

I'm with Ceka, I never use afk or busy or go offline either, if I'm busy it's apparent I'm busy, a simple "sorry, I was grabbing the laundry" suffices or "sorry, I was in GIMP", then there's "brb, I need to help this customer" or "there's my timer, have to run off to the kitchen". Sometimes I'll blush and say, "Hee, it's not a good time, so-and-so and I are busy atm". Why not simply let whomever know that you are busy rather than making it sound like such an imposition if they contact you when you intentionally chose to make yourself available to them? :confused:
From: Ceka Cianci
one thing i cannot stand is when someone IM's me and i respond right away and they do 5 minute intermissions between post up..most times i just close those until they are more serious..because it seems like they are in too Many IM's already and i have stuff to do..
Hee, yes, but I've learned those are often people who type very slowly or think lots about how they want to phrase things (one friend always does this) instead of just babbling their stream of consciousness like me, LOL, or others who have done that have been talking with their spouses or kids, working on their own projects, or also watching a movie/TV while on... I prefer a rhythm to conversation (responding to ten minutes ago usually causes me to instantly respond "?" missing the context until I look back up and realize they are catching up! :) Then we do, "Oh, never mind, I see what you were talking about" and them stopping "So-and-so is typing" as they delete their explanation, LOL)
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Gabriele Graves
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02-11-2009 12:50
From: Crystal Falcon
Maybe you are missing the feature that makes you truly invisible? ;) It's there, many people use it who want to. Do we really need ANOTHER way? Sure, it's not the most intuitive, you have to type in a different name before you click connect, but it's no harder than anything you've done in SL before? :p
That's no good if you need access to your main inventory whilst invisible. Alts are not a solution to this - having an invisibility mode is the option. Our world, yada, yada...
Argent Stonecutter
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02-11-2009 12:59
From: Crystal Falcon
Maybe you are missing the feature that makes you truly invisible?
There is no such feature, and you know there is no such feature. Do you honestly believe we're idiots? Because it sure sounds like you do.
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Darien Caldwell
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02-11-2009 13:01
From: TundraFire Nightfire
I don't want to be bothered when I make things, and if I use an alt, then TundraFire is not the creator but my alt is.


Give your alt a Full Permission prim from TundraFire. Use that prim to build with, and TundraFire will be the creator. :) Just keep making copies of that prim. ;)
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Brenda Connolly
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02-11-2009 13:10
I've never understood why SL has the incessant need to show you are online in so many different ways, it was always a bit creepy to be honest, but I really don't worry about it. I'm in the "Can't talk, busy " camp mysef, I never use busy mode of AFK, if i don't feel like answering an IM, I don't. But I don't see anything wrong with having the ability to show online status only when we want to if it could be done reasonably easy. I do however, get tired of the "Just get an alt" response to so many things that come up that could be fixed in other ways.
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-11-2009 13:11
From: Darien Caldwell
Give your alt a Full Permission prim from TundraFire. Use that prim to build with, and TundraFire will be the creator. :) Just keep making copies of that prim. ;)
I've tried working that way. It's too goddamn annoying.
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Gabriele Graves
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02-11-2009 13:32
From: Brenda Connolly
I've never understood why SL has the incessant need to show you are online in so many different ways, it was always a bit creepy to be honest, but I really don't worry about it. I'm in the "Can't talk, busy " camp mysef, I never use busy mode of AFK, if i don't feel like answering an IM, I don't. But I don't see anything wrong with having the ability to show online status only when we want to if it could be done reasonably easy. I do however, get tired of the "Just get an alt" response to so many things that come up that could be fixed in other ways.
This pretty much represents me also.
Different people have different expectations for the most part about your online status and contactability. More than a few people that I casually have known in the past have become really quite offended that I told them I was busy at that moment when they wanted to talk - then often proceeded to chatter anyway once you have had to laboriously reassure them that it is not personal in anyway. A lot of people find it hard to respect that others might prefer to do things a different way and they place expectations on you that really are quite unreasonable.

Don't even get me started on people who feel they have a right to be on your friends list before you do...
Darien Caldwell
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02-11-2009 15:06
From: Argent Stonecutter
I've tried working that way. It's too goddamn annoying.


Yes, it's not as simple as waving the 'magic wand' and poofing a new prim. But it just shows it's possible to do if you really want that privacy. :)
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-11-2009 15:20
I want that privacy because being IMed while I'm working is inconvenient.

You see where I'm going with this. :D
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Gabriele Graves
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02-11-2009 15:39
From: Argent Stonecutter
I want that privacy because being IMed while I'm working is inconvenient.

You see where I'm going with this. :D
I have to agree with Argent on this. Even the most well intentioned of friends don't always realise how deep into something you really are.
Qie Niangao
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02-11-2009 16:30
I can pretty much deal with interruptions while building; it doesn't seem to require a lot of context-switching overhead to get back to whatever I was working on. Scripting is a whole different matter: every time I return to an interrupted script, I have to try to reconstruct a whole stack of half-baked ideas about what I was going to do next, and next after that, and etc. And if I get interrupted again while trying to get back to where I was, I end up relying on the compiler to remind me, and too often, debugging.

Fortunately, it's really easy to script and test as an alt and then just copy the text into fresh Qie-created scripts.

But I do sometimes wish I could set status text visible to people before they try to IM me. Maybe "Mostly AFK," "Private Time," "Happy to Chat." (Hmmm. I guess that's almost the opposite of privacy.)

It is sometimes useful to be able to look at the list of group members and figure out who's been in-world recently and who hasn't been around for months. But if the member didn't want to make that information public, I don't think it should be a requirement that they do so, at least not for every group, nor every other group member.
florenze Kerensky
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02-11-2009 17:01
I read this suggestion in a thread some time ago. /me chuckles

don't want to respond to an IM, type this in response... Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
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foehn Breed
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02-11-2009 21:14
From: Crystal Falcon
Maybe you are missing the feature that makes you truly invisible? ;) It's there, many people use it who want to. Do we really need ANOTHER way? Sure, it's not the most intuitive, you have to type in a different name before you click connect, but it's no harder than anything you've done in SL before? :p

But really, no "jerkoffs win" when you refuse to take advantage of the option available to you, or frustrate yourself (debatable, LOL), there is no game after all! :) If it upsets you so much that you want to call people names, perhaps it might be worth approaching your issue differently?

I'm with Ceka, I never use afk or busy or go offline either, if I'm busy it's apparent I'm busy, a simple "sorry, I was grabbing the laundry" suffices or "sorry, I was in GIMP", then there's "brb, I need to help this customer" or "there's my timer, have to run off to the kitchen". Sometimes I'll blush and say, "Hee, it's not a good time, so-and-so and I are busy atm". Why not simply let whomever know that you are busy rather than making it sound like such an imposition if they contact you when you intentionally chose to make yourself available to them? :confused:Hee, yes, but I've learned those are often people who type very slowly or think lots about how they want to phrase things (one friend always does this) instead of just babbling their stream of consciousness like me, LOL, or others who have done that have been talking with their spouses or kids, working on their own projects, or also watching a movie/TV while on... I prefer a rhythm to conversation (responding to ten minutes ago usually causes me to instantly respond "?" missing the context until I look back up and realize they are catching up! :) Then we do, "Oh, never mind, I see what you were talking about" and them stopping "So-and-so is typing" as they delete their explanation, LOL)


No. If I am inworld, I need, want to be myself, not some let's make an alt for every season, theme, pt, mind fuck.
The only feature I am missing "that makes you truly invisible?" is a real Pref to be invisible.
The only frustration in SL are attempts to be coerced.
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