Are Lindens Inadvertently Creating Ad Farms

I have a question. Seems I have been isolated in SL for too long...never any Ad Farms in the sim I was in. Are the Lindens inadvertently creating Ad Farms when they put in roads on the mainland? I mean by the placement of the road themselves they seem to be chopping up sims and plots into tiny sections. Another question I have is if you own the sim and LL decides to put a road through can they? Do they provide compensation to the sim owner? Is that information of a road known before the Sim is purchased via and auction?

Thanks one and all! Happy Easter/Eostara

On the mainland the Linden land, either for a river or for road are on the sim before the sim is sold. The water for the river is there when the sim is sold, but the road is not. The road has to be built, and it takes time for them to build it.

They used to build the roads before selling the sims - if they did that now, there would not be a problem with unbuilt mainland roads.

1) I believe that the OP's concern is for the strips of protected land and not for what LL might have placed on those strips.
Ad farmers and advertisers love the jagged edges of angled protected land. They give double protection against blocking. In the days of unrestricted grief ad farming, such roads were magnets for them.

2) Once a sim is sold, it's sold. LL can't come in and simply take land on the mainland.
For example, they missed a trick in SE Corsica and ended up with a planned Lined protected water way being blocked off by private land at a sim corner. They had to put in an unplanned void sim in order to open things up - all for the want of a small triangle of land cut from the corner of a sim.

I have very very deliberately put a nice big tree on the roadside lot I have, pending making a small store there. Why the hell not?

Is this the friday thread?

I do not know what a "Friday Thread" is. If you mean, am I asking these questions to be factitious, funny, silly or pretend ignorance, then no this is not the "Friday Thread" I am asking legitimate questions of importance to me since I have been in one sim for a very long time and have not dealt with these issues before.

one would think the empress of the universe would be a little less defensive.

LL has publicly notified its clients that it is 'attempting' to crack down on ad farms, so my answer to the OP is no.

Ah, so you weren't just whinging about something over which you, or any of us, have no control and which there are about 16 identical threads a day about. I must have misunderstood.

would billboards along the road side really count as "Ad Farms"

we had billboards before anyone had ever mentioned the word Ad Farm in SL.

No, if they are not for sale they are classified as ugly but not ad farms.

I wasn't around when the old sims/roads were put it but I presume that roadside land was thought to have been a premium since people would walk or drive by your store. That's probably why the ad farmers swooped in and bought up those plots and cut them up.

The farmers must have been disappointed when LL stopped actually building the roads but that didn't prevent them from trying. Now that we have the ad farm ban it will be interesting to see what happens to all those roadside advertisers. How many billboards can SL support?

Yes you did misunderstand. She was asking if the construction of roads might be creating Ad farms. You assumed that she had a position on the topic. I assume she does also, but didn't base my answer on said position.

Protected Linden road land and protected Linden river land were inserted into the sims before they were sold. There was a time when everyone used roads as point to point teleporting was not yet possible (teleporting was possible, but in specific locations). So people had to walk. Land was cut up near roads for ad farms (and by ad farms, I am tiny plots of land with ads on them). This policy cutting land near road-ways continued after point-to-point teleporting arrived. In an indirect manner, LL did create something that could be said to have created a very limited basis for adfarming (when people had to walk, an assumption would be that they would walk on Linden land, and want to look at something, and therefore billboards along the roadway, but then point to point came and walking along roadways became something explorers and neighbors did, not the causal user).

((it is true that I did not read the entire thread before I posted))

Thank you Soji. I appreciate the information.

Uh, I think they are on my land there is the strip of water and because of the way its laid out have a 16sqm add that is tall as can be. I guess thats typical, but its not for sale so its classified as fugly.

No adfarmers are making adfarms, they buy any land on a road they can get, carve off the bits edging the road into adfarms then sell the rest off.

Yes ad farmers are but Linden makes it conducive. imo

Well roads and waterways are the onlything that brings some order to the layout of a sim, otherwise there are no front & back of shops/houses, we can't stop putting them in because adfarms might be made.
Go to a few roadless sims and lok at the chaos, you can't visit your neighbour on the other side of the sim except by TP, because of all the banlines and security orbs

Hmm, I thought LL had dealt with ad farms .....is it not working out?

Hmm Adfarmers are still making new lots, but through multiple ARing by myself, alts and others I seem to have got rid of half the 20 new adfarms in my sim, some have even ended up as Governour Linden land

I don't know how many of you have checked the land listings lately - but Umnik is back, with a vengeance.

Stopping ad farms does NOT eliminate the larger problem, which is cutting up land that will eventually be used for either advertising or extortion. Both can be done singularly, just not in combination anymore.

To relate this answer to the original question, yes, LL is contributing to the creation of addtional ad farms, because they are only eliminating one of the results, not the original problem of land cutting for profit. Cutters prefer roadside, but when none is available, they'll cut wherever they can.

My idea of ad farms is small plots of 16, 32 or 64 square meters that have advertising on them of some kind.........bill boards, signs, etc. They don't have to be placed along Linden Land as I've seen quite a few that are several plots off the "roads" or other protected strips and plots on Mainland sims. LL, when they made the roads did not leave plots of the 16, 32, and 64 meter size for people to buy up and place ads on them......they instead created some odd shaped plots of 512 meters along the protected land and most were "sold" as "first land" back in the days that that program was still alive. I happen to buy one of those weird shaped plots and still own and live on it........it's "L" shaped and was extremely difficult to find a prefab house to put on it back in those days (which got me into building in order to have a house on it ). I was tempted to sell the land and find a plot better suited for house.......and I'm sure there were people who did just that for the same reasons I was thinking about it. And many of those "first land" plots were converted to "ad farms" by other residents looking for profit in the land business. So, in my opinion, LL does not contribute to the ad farm problem....it's the residents feeling they need "better" land and sell their first land in order to get that more desirable plot. Quite understandable.

By the way, I learned to love my plot.........it's "protected" on three sides from me ever being blocked by another neighbor. That "more desirable" plot away from the LL land is likely to be hemmed in by other residents and subject to land wars which we read about every day here in Resident Answers.

But, all this brings up a question I have. Since I own 512 meters along the side of a "road" (which never got built..........LOL) and I have a 5 x 5 x 5 rotating cube with samples of textures or pictures I make as a small business in the middle of my plot along with another 3 x 3 x 3 cube with a notecard/LM giver. Would I be considered an "ad farmer"? By many of the definitions I read here I guess I would be.........and I take exception to that. I own the land, I live on the land (well, some 600 meters above it anyway) and I'm not interested in selling it. Some may call it "fugly" but I don't think it is. I've never recieved a complaint but I'm waiting for one......what, with all the "do gooders" we have in SL now. I'm not going to remove it unless LL tells me to.....which I doubt they will. It's no worse than that huge castle someone built not far from me where they hold "friends night" once in a while and set off their particle machines and get on their hover bikes and zoom past my place.

Just my two cents: Stop worrying about "ad farms" and make do with what you got.......or move on to a place more to your liking. Stop trying to dictate your vision of what is pretty or acceptable to everyone else around you. I've had ad farms around me.......I built 600 meters up. Anyone here can do the same.