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Raymond Figtree

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07-12-2007 21:11

http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/07/breaking-news-o.html

Not dead. Not safe. But not silenced!!!!!

Question for residents to answer...are you stoked or what!??

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Xplorer Cannoli

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07-12-2007 21:19

very very coooooooooool

Chie Salome

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07-12-2007 21:25

Weeeeee!

Yes, I'm so stoked and relieved I almost wet my pants!

I'm not a U.S. resident so I can't directly help by calling senators and stuff... I'll just keep supporting my favourite radio stations by donating US$ I made in SL via PayPal which I have no intention of exchanging into yen anyways.

Thankoo for the heads-up!

Ilianexsi Sojourner

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07-12-2007 22:03

Fabulous!! I'm insanely happy right now.

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Angelique LaFollette

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07-12-2007 22:54

Hail to the Power of positive B*tching.
With so many people Writing to their representatives something had to Break. They either had to renegotiate, or face Congress doing it For them.
This is a Good step, But Keep writing. Let your representatives know that ANY deal is not a Good deal, It has to be fair, and Keep net music reachable.

Angel.

Brash Zenovka

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07-12-2007 23:09

Seems kind of odd I can't find anything on Google News about the reprieve, aside from the one article at Wired:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1117993135&scoring=n

You'd think it would have been picked up by a number of sources; most of the stories released in the past few hours are still focusing on the lost decision in court and don't sound very cheerful about prospects ...

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bilbo99 Emu

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07-13-2007 00:38

I don't understand the whooping here from reading the BBC account: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6896152.stm

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Kidd Krasner

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07-13-2007 05:48

From: bilbo99 Emu

I don't understand the whooping here from reading the BBC account: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6896152.stm

There seem to be two separate events.

One is that a court denied a stay of the royalty fees, allowing them to take effect unless Congress acts.

The other, from the Wired article, is that one of the companies that stood to receive those fees, SoundExchange, has agreed not to enforce the new, higher rates for the time being.

See also http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/news/2007/07/webcasters_face_music

Michael Bigwig

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07-13-2007 05:50

Very cool. Of course they wouldn't let it go down in flames...it's only just begun really.

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bilbo99 Emu

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07-13-2007 06:00

From: Kidd Krasner

There seem to be two separate events.

Ah! Thankyou

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Usagi Musashi

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07-13-2007 06:17

Thats news!!!!!!!!! I never thought it would happen.

Raudf Fox

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07-13-2007 06:26

The CRB gets proven that if they can't be reasonable, the whole kaboodle gets removed from their hands. SoundExchange, the fee collectors, made the one realization that the CRB didn't. The higher fees will mean less money actually being paid, because the internet radio will go out of business.

While they aren't out of the woods yet, it's nice to see that my favorite stations aren't going to have to close down for the moment

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Raymond Figtree

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07-13-2007 06:35

From: bilbo99 Emu

I don't understand the whooping here from reading the BBC account: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6896152.stm

All I said was reprieve. Perhaps I used too many exclamation points, but I was caught up in the moment.

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bilbo99 Emu

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07-13-2007 06:42

From: Raymond Figtree

All I said was reprieve. Perhaps I used too many exclamation points, but I was caught up in the moment.

No, no, not criticizing you Raymond; merely caught wondering at the semi-euphoria that followed in the next 4 or 5 posts.
/me Googles a Congressperson ... *any* Congressperson

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Archer Braun

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07-13-2007 08:09

This is so NOT good news. It merely means that only those web stations licensed through Sound Exchange will be given a temporary...TEMPORARY...reprieve from crushingly high rates and fees.
It's a rather brilliant manuever, geared toward dragging out the fight, and robbing it of steam while the battle now moves to the legislature.
Be VERY careful what you decry as a "victory" in these kinds of struggles. The fat cats have grown craftier, more manipulative, and subtle over the past several decades. Take a look at what the telecom industry has done with cable franchising in the past few years.

Raymond Figtree

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07-13-2007 09:24

From: Archer Braun

This is so NOT good news. It merely means that only those web stations licensed through Sound Exchange will be given a temporary...TEMPORARY...reprieve from crushingly high rates and fees.
It's a rather brilliant manuever, geared toward dragging out the fight, and robbing it of steam while the battle now moves to the legislature.
Be VERY careful what you decry as a "victory" in these kinds of struggles. The fat cats have grown craftier, more manipulative, and subtle over the past several decades. Take a look at what the telecom industry has done with cable franchising in the past few years.

I agree with you, but I don't know how brilliant it is in the long term. Look where greed got the record companies. I only purchase CDs at live shows now, never through the outlets that screw the musicians and gouge the public.

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Usagi Musashi

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07-13-2007 09:54

From: Archer Braun

This is so NOT good news. It merely means that only those web stations licensed through Sound Exchange will be given a temporary...TEMPORARY...reprieve from crushingly high rates and fees.
It's a rather brilliant manuever, geared toward dragging out the fight, and robbing it of steam while the battle now moves to the legislature.
Be VERY careful what you decry as a "victory" in these kinds of struggles. The fat cats have grown craftier, more manipulative, and subtle over the past several decades. Take a look at what the telecom industry has done with cable franchising in the past few years.

Do I see another Napster panic here eheheheheheh.....

Jake Trenchard

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07-13-2007 10:34

From: Raudf Fox

The CRB gets proven that if they can't be reasonable, the whole kaboodle gets removed from their hands. SoundExchange, the fee collectors, made the one realization that the CRB didn't. The higher fees will mean less money actually being paid, because the internet radio will go out of business.

This is not even remotely accurate. The CRB made ruling that everything that SoundExchange asked for would become the new regulations and rejected virtually all other input. Then the CRB refused to hear any more about the case. The CRB appointed SoundExchange as the designated authority for collecting all such fees, just as SoundExchange wanted.

Raudf Fox

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07-13-2007 10:54

From: Jake Trenchard

This is not even remotely accurate. The CRB made ruling that everything that SoundExchange asked for would become the new regulations and rejected virtually all other input. Then the CRB refused to hear any more about the case. The CRB appointed SoundExchange as the designated authority for collecting all such fees, just as SoundExchange wanted.

You are correct, I did get that wrong. I just posted from what I understood, which isn't a great deal. Either way, they need the ability to decide taken from their hands.. or they will find they won't be making any more money.

I do wonder about those internet radio stations that are airing the 'independents' of music.. Do they have to pay the fees, if they are paying TO the independent artists? (No record company middle men)

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Internet Radio Gets Reprieve!!!
Raymond Figtree Gone, avi, gone Join date: 17 May 2006 Posts: 6,256	07-12-2007 21:11 http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/07/breaking-news-o.html Not dead. Not safe. But not silenced!!!!! Question for residents to answer...are you stoked or what!?? _____________________ Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
Xplorer Cannoli Cache Cleaner Join date: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 1,131	07-12-2007 21:19 very very coooooooooool
Chie Salome ~( * w * )~ Join date: 19 May 2005 Posts: 221	07-12-2007 21:25 Weeeeee! Yes, I'm so stoked and relieved I almost wet my pants! I'm not a U.S. resident so I can't directly help by calling senators and stuff... I'll just keep supporting my favourite radio stations by donating US$ I made in SL via PayPal which I have no intention of exchanging into yen anyways. Thankoo for the heads-up!
Ilianexsi Sojourner Chick with Horns Join date: 11 Jul 2004 Posts: 1,707	07-12-2007 22:03 Fabulous!! I'm insanely happy right now. _____________________ Everything's impossible,'till it ain't. --Ben Hawkins, Carnivale Help build a Utopian Playland-- www.doctorsteel.com. Music, robots, fun times!
Angelique LaFollette Registered User Join date: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,595	07-12-2007 22:54 Hail to the Power of positive B*tching. With so many people Writing to their representatives something had to Break. They either had to renegotiate, or face Congress doing it For them. This is a Good step, But Keep writing. Let your representatives know that ANY deal is not a Good deal, It has to be fair, and Keep net music reachable. Angel.
Brash Zenovka Still Learning Join date: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 392	07-12-2007 23:09 Seems kind of odd I can't find anything on Google News about the reprieve, aside from the one article at Wired: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1117993135&scoring=n You'd think it would have been picked up by a number of sources; most of the stories released in the past few hours are still focusing on the lost decision in court and don't sound very cheerful about prospects ... _____________________
bilbo99 Emu Garrett's No.1 fan Join date: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,468	07-13-2007 00:38 I don't understand the whooping here from reading the BBC account: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6896152.stm _____________________ Be polite .. that newbie could be your next ex-partner.
Kidd Krasner Registered User Join date: 1 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,938	07-13-2007 05:48 From: bilbo99 Emu I don't understand the whooping here from reading the BBC account: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6896152.stm There seem to be two separate events. One is that a court denied a stay of the royalty fees, allowing them to take effect unless Congress acts. The other, from the Wired article, is that one of the companies that stood to receive those fees, SoundExchange, has agreed not to enforce the new, higher rates for the time being. See also http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/news/2007/07/webcasters_face_music
Michael Bigwig ~VRML Aficionado~ Join date: 5 Dec 2005 Posts: 2,181	07-13-2007 05:50 Very cool. Of course they wouldn't let it go down in flames...it's only just begun really. _____________________ ~Michael Bigwig __________________________________________________Lead Designer, Glowbox Designs
bilbo99 Emu Garrett's No.1 fan Join date: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,468	07-13-2007 06:00 From: Kidd Krasner There seem to be two separate events. Ah! Thankyou _____________________ Be polite .. that newbie could be your next ex-partner.
Usagi Musashi UM ™® Join date: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 6,083	07-13-2007 06:17 Thats news!!!!!!!!! I never thought it would happen.
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	07-13-2007 06:26 The CRB gets proven that if they can't be reasonable, the whole kaboodle gets removed from their hands. SoundExchange, the fee collectors, made the one realization that the CRB didn't. The higher fees will mean less money actually being paid, because the internet radio will go out of business. While they aren't out of the woods yet, it's nice to see that my favorite stations aren't going to have to close down for the moment _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Raymond Figtree Gone, avi, gone Join date: 17 May 2006 Posts: 6,256	07-13-2007 06:35 From: bilbo99 Emu I don't understand the whooping here from reading the BBC account: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6896152.stm All I said was reprieve. Perhaps I used too many exclamation points, but I was caught up in the moment. _____________________ Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
bilbo99 Emu Garrett's No.1 fan Join date: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,468	07-13-2007 06:42 From: Raymond Figtree All I said was reprieve. Perhaps I used too many exclamation points, but I was caught up in the moment. No, no, not criticizing you Raymond; merely caught wondering at the semi-euphoria that followed in the next 4 or 5 posts. /me Googles a Congressperson ... any Congressperson _____________________ Be polite .. that newbie could be your next ex-partner.
Archer Braun Registered User Join date: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 190	07-13-2007 08:09 This is so NOT good news. It merely means that only those web stations licensed through Sound Exchange will be given a temporary...TEMPORARY...reprieve from crushingly high rates and fees. It's a rather brilliant manuever, geared toward dragging out the fight, and robbing it of steam while the battle now moves to the legislature. Be VERY careful what you decry as a "victory" in these kinds of struggles. The fat cats have grown craftier, more manipulative, and subtle over the past several decades. Take a look at what the telecom industry has done with cable franchising in the past few years.
Raymond Figtree Gone, avi, gone Join date: 17 May 2006 Posts: 6,256	07-13-2007 09:24 From: Archer Braun This is so NOT good news. It merely means that only those web stations licensed through Sound Exchange will be given a temporary...TEMPORARY...reprieve from crushingly high rates and fees. It's a rather brilliant manuever, geared toward dragging out the fight, and robbing it of steam while the battle now moves to the legislature. Be VERY careful what you decry as a "victory" in these kinds of struggles. The fat cats have grown craftier, more manipulative, and subtle over the past several decades. Take a look at what the telecom industry has done with cable franchising in the past few years. I agree with you, but I don't know how brilliant it is in the long term. Look where greed got the record companies. I only purchase CDs at live shows now, never through the outlets that screw the musicians and gouge the public. _____________________ Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
Usagi Musashi UM ™® Join date: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 6,083	07-13-2007 09:54 From: Archer Braun This is so NOT good news. It merely means that only those web stations licensed through Sound Exchange will be given a temporary...TEMPORARY...reprieve from crushingly high rates and fees. It's a rather brilliant manuever, geared toward dragging out the fight, and robbing it of steam while the battle now moves to the legislature. Be VERY careful what you decry as a "victory" in these kinds of struggles. The fat cats have grown craftier, more manipulative, and subtle over the past several decades. Take a look at what the telecom industry has done with cable franchising in the past few years. Do I see another Napster panic here eheheheheheh.....
Jake Trenchard Registered User Join date: 31 May 2007 Posts: 104	07-13-2007 10:34 From: Raudf Fox The CRB gets proven that if they can't be reasonable, the whole kaboodle gets removed from their hands. SoundExchange, the fee collectors, made the one realization that the CRB didn't. The higher fees will mean less money actually being paid, because the internet radio will go out of business. This is not even remotely accurate. The CRB made ruling that everything that SoundExchange asked for would become the new regulations and rejected virtually all other input. Then the CRB refused to hear any more about the case. The CRB appointed SoundExchange as the designated authority for collecting all such fees, just as SoundExchange wanted.
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	07-13-2007 10:54 From: Jake Trenchard This is not even remotely accurate. The CRB made ruling that everything that SoundExchange asked for would become the new regulations and rejected virtually all other input. Then the CRB refused to hear any more about the case. The CRB appointed SoundExchange as the designated authority for collecting all such fees, just as SoundExchange wanted. You are correct, I did get that wrong. I just posted from what I understood, which isn't a great deal. Either way, they need the ability to decide taken from their hands.. or they will find they won't be making any more money. I do wonder about those internet radio stations that are airing the 'independents' of music.. Do they have to pay the fees, if they are paying TO the independent artists? (No record company middle men) _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?

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