streaming net radio - in danger??
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Nyoko Salome
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03-19-2007 13:39
hey yas, i'm surfing the news today and coming across mentions of this...
"...internet radio is about to be destroyed by the decision of the Copyright Royalty Board to radically increase royalty fees for playing music over the internet. The argument is simple - if FM stations don't have to pay, why should streaming ones?"
"Pandora is living on borrowed time, and they'd like you to sign this petition. A recent change to the structure of royalty payments for streaming audio broadcasts will surely kill online streaming as we know it, unless something changes, and soon. "
"The best Pandora can come up with is an online petition??Oh sh*t we're screwed."
as glib as we can be about it like 'it doesn't matter anyway; people will still do it' doesn't remove the legal ramifications if one is caught bucking the system (thinking 'pirate radio'; any bigger rw stations/networks will probably simply turn off their streams). i find myself listening to net radio more than over-the-air (around here, it just plains stinks - 1/3 country, 1/3 spirit radio b.s., and 1/3 pop/american idle crap...)
wondering if this is really a serious worry... and if so, maybe we all -should- go sign a petition somewhere... whatcha think??
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Tygarys Soyinka
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03-20-2007 10:42
It's simple, RIAA=Greedy SOBs.
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Joseph Worthington
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03-20-2007 11:01
There's a group in world you can join called "Save Internet Radio -- Get Involved" comprised of people very concerned about this very issue. Yes, this decision does mean there will be an increase in "pirate radio" stations and such, but in SL terms, that may refer only to those heard in the nightclubs and such. When you think about how many residences and public sims across SL stream in some type of music, you have to wonder how many of those streams are going to simply vanish, and how it's going to effect the SL landscape. And even outside of SL, think of how many people listen to internet radio at work, or around the house, or while they're surfing the web. These stations being taken off air is going to Severely limit what people have availible for thier listening pleasure. If you'd like to take action, I'd advise you to look into the following sites. Artical on subject http://www.wired.com/news/culture/music/0,72879-0.html?tw=wn_index_2To write your congressman or woman. http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=9461656&content_dir=ua_congressorg&mailid=customHome Site http://www.savenetradio.org
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Chip Midnight
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03-20-2007 11:19
As a small, not for profit, niche webcaster who has been broadcasting within the law for the past three years, this new ruling is most likely a death knell for my station. The last time SoundExchange raised royalty rates in 2002, Congress stepped in and created the Small Webcasters Settlement Act, which allowed stations with revenues below a certain amount to pay either a percentage of revenue or a minimum blanket fee. SoundExchange is the entity that collects and distributes royalties and was set up by the RIAA. Rather than acting as a neutral administrative entity as it was intended it now seems to have become part of the lobbying/legal arm of the RIAA, bent on destroying anything it doesn't like. Under the new rules, the SWSA is dead. All stations must now pay a per performance royalty rate (meaning every time a song is streamed to a single listener). The new rates are retroactive to the beginning of 2006, meaning that broadcasters who had already signed contracts for 2006/7 with SoundExchange under the SWSA will be hit with enormous bills which will kill most if not all of them, and drive many of them into bankruptcy. Further, there's now a $500 minimum per "channel" which must be paid as a deposit against future royalties. This is why Pandora is a goner. They allow every listener to create their own channel which means Pandora will owe $500 to SoundExchange for every individual listener they've had since the beginning of 2006. It also doesn't look good for Live365 (where I broadcast) since Live365 hosts over 10,000 stations. The new royalty rates represent a hike of 1000% or more. The only internet broadcasters likely to survive this are entities like AOL radio who have deep enough pockets to absorb it. If the new rates are allowed to stand and Congress doesn't step in like they did in 2002, niche and hobbyist broadcasting is, for all intents and purposes, dead. To find out what you can do to help, visit www.savenetradio.org
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Colette Meiji
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03-20-2007 11:38
From: Chip Midnight As a small, not for profit, niche webcaster who has been broadcasting within the law for the past three years, this new ruling is most likely a death knell for my station. The last time SoundExchange raised royalty rates in 2002, Congress stepped in and created the Small Webcasters Settlement Act, which allowed stations with revenues below a certain amount to pay either a percentage of revenue or a minimum blanket fee. SoundExchange is the entity that collects and distributes royalties and was set up by the RIAA. Rather than acting as a neutral administrative entity as it was intended it now seems to have become part of the lobbying/legal arm of the RIAA, bent on destroying anything it doesn't like. Under the new rules, the SWSA is dead. All stations must now pay a per performance royalty rate (meaning every time a song is streamed to a single listener). The new rates are retroactive to the beginning of 2006, meaning that broadcasters who had already signed contracts for 2006/7 with SoundExchange under the SWSA will be hit with enormous bills which will kill most if not all of them, and drive many of them into bankruptcy. Further, there's now a $500 minimum per "channel" which must be paid as a deposit against future royalties. This is why Pandora is a goner. They allow every listener to create their own channel which means Pandora will owe $500 to SoundExchange for every individual listener they've had since the beginning of 2006. It also doesn't look good for Live365 (where I broadcast) since Live365 hosts over 10,000 stations. The new royalty rates represent a hike of 1000% or more. The only internet broadcasters likely to survive this are entities like AOL radio who have deep enough pockets to absorb it. If the new rates are allowed to stand and Congress doesn't step in like they did in 2002, niche and hobbyist broadcasting is, for all intents and purposes, dead. To find out what you can do to help, visit www.savenetradio.orgChip this seems to say not only cant small sattions afford to continue- But also small sattions that exist and were following the law now owe tons of money? I thought there was protections against retroactive laws - no ex post facto. Wow after a lil research no - Ex post facto doesnt apply to fees. Only crimes - by precident. This sure seems an abuse of governement to me =/ and a perfect example of why. Sad that special interests encourage them to apss laws like this.
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Isablan Neva
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03-20-2007 11:45
Time for all these relay services to start moving off US soil to some nice little European country....
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Chip Midnight
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03-20-2007 12:08
From: Colette Meiji Chip this seems to say not only cant small sattions afford to continue- But also small sattions that exist and were following the law now owe tons of money? Unfortunately, that's exactly right. I won't get hit with a bill because, as a personal broadcaster on Live365, they covered my liscense fees and royalty payments and while they'll get hit with a huge bill they have enough integrity not to pass it along to their broadcasters. But Live365 also has pro broadcaster packages where broadcasters are responsible for paying their own fees and filing regular royalty reports with SoundExchange. They're all completely screwed and the most popular ones are likely facing bills for tens of thousands of dollars. They were operating under the law, not making a profit, and had signed contracts in good faith with SoundExchange that SX offered on its own website. "Sorry we lost the house and that you can't go to college now, Junior. Daddy wanted to run a radio station as a hobby." It's simply criminal.
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Colette Meiji
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03-20-2007 12:24
From: Chip Midnight Unfortunately, that's exactly right. I won't get hit with a bill because, as a personal broadcaster on Live365, they covered my liscense fees and royalty payments and while they'll get hit with a huge bill they have enough integrity not to pass it along to their broadcasters. But Live365 also has pro broadcaster packages where broadcasters are responsible for paying their own fees and filing regular royalty reports with SoundExchange. They're all completely screwed and the most popular ones are likely facing bills for tens of thousands of dollars. They were operating under the law, not making a profit, and had signed contracts in good faith with SoundExchange that SX offered on its own website. "Sorry we lost the house and that you can't go to college now, Junior. Daddy wanted to run a radio station as a hobby." It's simply criminal. =/ So there will be bankrupcies from this. Business and personal. Im glad you arent affected financially. Hopefully theres some sort of deal offered. Seems like a pretty big task to prosecute all these people for back fees. So well get clear channel stations, and maybe Sirus, etc. Independent radio on the internet is dead (as it nearly is offline)
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tristan Eliot
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03-20-2007 12:26
Sounds like business as usual for the RIAA.
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Chip Midnight
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03-20-2007 12:45
From: Colette Meiji =/ So there will be bankrupcies from this. Business and personal. Im glad you arent affected financially. Hopefully theres some sort of deal offered. Seems like a pretty big task to prosecute all these people for back fees. So well get clear channel stations, and maybe Sirus, etc. Independent radio on the internet is dead (as it nearly is offline) Live365, RealNetworks, Pandora, AOL, NPR, and many others are appealing the ruling, and several of the people in Congress who were responsible for the SWSA are still active. Hopefully this will be overturned, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Nyoko Salome
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03-20-2007 13:25
that's right:\ now that you mention it, i remember the noise around it back in 02. well i'm signing then - just one of those things where we have to respond in so many numbers with a loud, uncompromising 'NO' that they learn what the score is. y'know i just blew more money than i should have on dvs - movies for $10 flat at the grocery store no less; although i get sooo much more 'versatile enjoyment' with music (lol meaning i'm not locked in front of a television to enjoy them like dvs)... on the shelf: the majority of dvs are cheaper than cds... even do-wop era shrink-wrap new reissues are more expensive than dvs; i've seen 'em at borders. in the production: consciously or unconsiously, the customer realizes that more was spent on the production of the cheapest movies than the cost of production of the most expensive modern-day albums. have exclusively bought via amazon used offerings and my local 'hey dood' outlets now for 'as long as i can remember'... and will continue to do so until the recording industry learns to reward their artists without ripping off their customers. \\\\\\\\\\ (i never make anything short, do i?? ...in defense as this doesn't really reward my favorite artists at all - it's tough to say the above as it doesn't benefit the artists; i have to contend with my own financial priorities as far as what i'll spend to have entertainment at hand... heck, as is, my own musical buying habits have slacked way down from what i used to pick up regularly. my own tastes in music tend to lean toward very 'independent' artists anyway, who from interviews seem to indicate that they do their best to take care of themselves in the existing environment. i'd been around the lower rings of the 'pre-signed pro-musician' circle myself vicariously thru friends, and have seen half go into corporate unawares, only to find themselves in debt post-production, sales flailing, forced to the road/promo grind to make amends they never knew they were in for... it's sad. one once did say, 'well - all my friends are in debt too, but they're not in a rock band - so it comes out even, i guess.' i couldn't disagree with that - however, sounded like a lotta cold comfort, though. "WE'RE IN DEBT!! ROCK AND ROLL!! HELLO CLEVELAND!!"
p.s. " Live365, RealNetworks, Pandora, AOL, NPR..." AOL and any other larger 'legitimate' corps will get some sort of backdoor deal, i am sure. the others will get the butt end of it... they've wanted rid of npr for years... the other online-only networks, 'screw 'em'... just the very act of legislation is a big freaking middle finger straight at all of us, isn't it?? >
p.p.s. if you missed it, a fun read... Thoughts on Music - Steve Jobs
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