is no copy/no mod/no trans legal?

Here's soemthing i am thinking about just cause I've encountered it latly more and more.

Is an item with all perms set to NO legal?

The trick being used is to make a script No mod and No copy and then add a No Trans to the object. Essentially blocking the item from not only being copied but transfered as well. Sometimes this doesn't even become a problem until you rez the item in world (attack it all you like it will never show one of the permissions).

I thought the reason the interface disallowed both no cop and no trans is becuase it was decided to be unfair according to LL. Now I can understand a permission bug causing the issue but I don't think this is one of those bugs...just an unforseen permission step LL didn't think about. Kinda like no mod scripts affecting sizing of a MOD attachment unless rezzed in world.

EDIT: PS there is never a mention that the item is No mod/no copy/no trans either but will lost eitehr no mod/no copy or no mod/no trans.

It's legal as far as I know; I have objects which are like that (Caledon founders' plaques if I recall correctly). It makes sense in the context, of, say, an award to be given to one particular person, and which should only appear in one place ever.

well I guess I could see that for custom items like that but I mean let me give. Also no copy once rezed is understandable on a no trans item I guess. I'm just worried about abuse cause people are worried about "yard sales". Been noticing a few of my items which previously were no copy after an upgrade are now no copy/no trans. Here's an example though of one situation:

Recently I was handed an item that was a package and included an item for me and 10 others. These other items had to be configured so I figured. "rez on ground and copy the notecard to each prim...this'll be a breeze". When I brought them back to inventory though they magically became no trans. Now luckily the person was understanding and knew they were meant to be transferable but said they new of that and not to rez them in world. Yet thier sign for the product said "No Copy, Mod/Trans". Even without the permission sign I'd be kinda ticked if I asked someone "what's the mods on your <ITEM>" only to later find that gotcha in there.

Hm. Well, if permissions on items in your inventory are changing by themselves, I'd bug report that, that's not supposed to happen.

However, there are instances when if you rez something then take it back, the permissions can change. For instance: if something has been marked modify, but it contains a no-mod component (say a script somewhere) then if you rez it and take it back the whole thing becomes no-mod iirc. I've fallen foul of this in the past when I was scripting floats for the third anniversary thing.

Permissions can be nasty things. I've been making stuff for over a year here and I still make mistakes.

well not they aren't changing in my inventory but besides the inventory bug and obvious oops that occur. I am seeing people selling things with the intention of one permission set and when rezzed in world and retrieved are completely different. It just seems like false advertising to me and sneak way of getting around the toggle of permissions. I mean it's not like animationists, gesture makers, or texturists have that option as well.

Wow less than a minute after reading this I rezzed a copy/mod/trans Lei to hand out w/ my new Tiki house and furnishings. I wanted to see how decent it looked.

When I went to delete it it said it was not copiable and was I sure I wanted to delete this item....thinking maybe it WASN'T copiable, I took it into inventory.

Now that particular Lei is no copy/no mod/no trans. Never had that happen before, crazy!

I've been having some problems with No Mod/Copy/No Trans items I'm making suddenly lose their copy permissions. This produced a no perms object. But I have not been able to reproduce the problem by myself, just seemed to be occurring sometimes and not others, so I have been unsure how exactly to report it. I've just dealt with it by rechecking perms multiple times before loading the final product.

Now see I am assuming the full perm copy is still in yoru inventory so no big deal per say.

On the other hand if you have a no copy/trans object suddenly do this...your outta luck and outta any resale value you were hopin got get out of it if you didn't like it, replaced it down the line, or heaven forbids wanted to give to a friend cause it was trans when you bought it.

EDIT: I know there was recently a bug with items becoming no trans but unsure if it is ongoing or the triggers. Problem is I am seeing copy items rezzing no copy. Just odd they take the time to make things no mod, no copy(or trans) and wouldn't see it doing the reverse as well.

Happened to me a few times. Not sure why

There are a certain grouping of object and content permissions that when rezzed, the rezzed copy will become no/no/no if you rez it then make any changes and save.

As to the intentional creating of no/no/no items, LL did not intend for objects to be both nocopy and notransfer. IF they did, then they would have allowed it directly. To me, this workaround is cheating. And if not disclosed before buying the object, is also fraud since that cannot be seen until the object is received.

It should be a TOS violation, IMO.

Now this is what I am thinking. Don't get me wrong as I said oops and bugs happen but when they go "to bad that's the luck" Posted or not it shouldn't be allowed. Otherwise LL would have given us the ability on each seperate prim, object, script, etc. Instead it toggles.

I view this as a bug. I know many residents use it to create vouchers (tradeable boxes for not tradeable items, used for gift purchases), but I don't think it makes sense to reset an item's permission to the perms of its inventory objects.
I sell modifiable body attachments, for example, and of course the scripts inside aren't modifiable. Nonetheless I'd like the object permissions to stay +copy +mod, even when it is rezzed on the floor.

Yes see and what we are seeing now are what appears to be something trumping the permissions you have while in inventory. The solution LL did with mod in object vs mod from script is a great example of something that maybe we need to see now to prevent a person from setting an objec +no mod / no copy and then the script no mod / no copy which would then make the rezzed item no, no, no. Vouchers are another great way of getting around no trans items to allow others to purchase things. What I don't understand is what validation can you have other then wanting more money that you could validate working around LL's own permission set to set an item both no copy and no trans intentionally for public purchase (we've detemined private sale might have a use).

EDIT: vouchers are normally though a seperate item that are no copy/trans for an item that is copy/no trans or to let a person actually just buy what they want (liek RL gift cards).

Precisely correct - they were designed that way.

Also, a few people were knighted in Caledon - a form of recognition for actions far above and beyond, for the benefit of the entire Caledon community and grid. Ordinal and Leosanni Somme both share that (for the Caledon Trolley engineering and the American Cancer Society Relay For Life efforts, respectively). It would be highly inappropriate for modifications, copies, or transfers of such marques (and besides, their names are textured onto them as well).

Other than such usage I'm not sure how appropriate such restrictive permissions should be. But some things should be wonderfully, remarkably, historically rare items of significance.

I'm confused by the subject. If I make something like a nice poseball and instead of selling it to you I give it to you... I'm damn sure going to make it non-transfer.

That's exactly what I'm going to do for the grand opening of Ancient Lands on Monday. I'm going to put out my poseballs for anyone to copy. They can modify it if they choose or make copies and spread them all over their house or land.. but I don't want them giving them to their friends, so I'm going to make them no-transfer. After money I set them to no-copy and either leave them alone or put them up for sale. Only the people who were lucky enough to read the forum will know that they are there to copy.

Many products are no-transfer. I've accidently bought several sets of clothing for friends that I was unable to give them because I didnt notice that they were no-transfer. Vendor systems are usually that way too. I even have skins that are no-transfer.

People do not want you to use their product and then give it to someone else. They want those other people to become customers.