How to recover group land powers

Hi folks. Just a quick question on group roles. I belong to a group which owns a nice large parcel. The owner of this group has quit the group and all left group members only have certain land roles. We can't set the parcel for sale, for example. We can't designate ourselves as group owners either. The owner removed donated tier which I replaced. I welcome any suggestion as to how to proceed to recover land powers. We don't want to abandon our parcel. We can't transfer it to another group either.. Help!

The only thing that I can think that could help is to open a ticket, explained what happened. I think that only the Lindens can upgrade some of you (the officers, maybe) to group owners.

If they refuse to do that, I don't know any other way - if the former group owner simply abandoned SL, without canceling his/her account, I would not give his/her group to other people if I had the powers to do this.

The owner quit SL over 2 yrs. ago.

Then it's pretty unlikely that he'll return.

What Vania said: Open a support ticket and ask for help.

By *quit*, he actually cancelled his account? (Best scenario, for you......) Or he just stopped coming in? Was he Premium, still paying? Basic and just disappeared? (Hope that's not it, cause those stay around forever, and I don't think LL will dismantle his ownership of the group, in that case...)

The group members that actually donate meters to the group would be considered invested in the land. Have those folks put in tickets at
http://secondlife.com/support/

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He removed his tier donation, left the group, downgraded to basic and never logged back in. I don't actually know if he cancelled his accout, but he's not listed in search.
I'm the only one who is currently donating tier and supporting the parcel. The group shows none as group owner. There're only 3 of us left with very limited parcel powers.

The only way to *fix* this then is by Linden intervention, assuming that none of the remaining group members has the ability to set the land and its contents for sale.

If you or a surviving group member DO have the ability to sell the parcel, you could set the parcel as for sale only to yourself, buy it, with all objects included, and then form a new group with yourself as the owner and the surviving members as members and/or officers, then deed the land to that new group.

For example, if the old group was "Bullfrog Acres", you could create "Bullfrog Acres 2" as a new group, and deed the purchasd land and objects to that new group.

A group whose owner has departed without granting full owner rights to a surviving member is essntially crippled, and can never by your own actions regain its full abilities, short of possibly Linden intervention.

If the departed owner left behind any no-transfer, personally-owned items for the group to use, you'll lose those if you ever move. No way to claim ownership of them.

Did this get resolved, Governor?

How long has it been since we've been able to hold group elections?

I submitted a ticket and got a response the next day, they would send the ticket to the appropriate response team. We'll see how long it takes for them to do something.

opps still half asleep i was not reading correctly lol sry

It might be nice if a suddenly-leaderless group could vote in a leader.

I didn't think a group owner could leave the group without making a new owner.

Now that you mention it that does sound familiar.

Possibly the person with the power is unaware of it or hasn't logged in in ages, or was an alt of the real leader.

An owner can't leave a group or the owner role, without designating a new owner first.

Perhaps 2 years ago, that was not the case.

This makes me think (I do this sometimes): and if an owner cancel his/her account?

Well, the obvious conclusion is that the group owner cancelled his account.

To my mind there's no legitimate way to transfer the land to some random group member that claims he wants it. If I was in the support queue I would definitely decline to help. If you start taking land away from someone and giving it to someone else just because they cancelled their account or haven't been around for a few years you open a massive can of worms.

I suppose they'll probably do it anyway though.

In this case, the land fees are being paid by those that donated tier to the group. To me, it would be logical to make the tier donors the new group owners.

My group has about 100 people donating tier. Many of them are even donating more than me. On some occasions I'm donating none. I still wouldn't want any of those people to just own my group even if I'd cancelled my account. There's tons of deeded objects that would be suddenly owned by whoever took over the group.

Taking the land out of the group and selling it to a new owner might be OK. LL does that fairly often with abandoned land anyway.

If they *left the group* they are no longer the owner. They gave it up. The owner of the land is now the group, and rent on the land is being paid by the group. The only options are for some existing tier-holding group member to become the new group owner, or for the land to devolve to Governor Linden... and that would be a bigger injustice.

It used to be that when the owner of the group left, the group AUTOMATICALLY triggered an election process that created a new owner. That's how I ended up being the owner of the now-deleted "Noonkkot Rocks" group.

I have been an officer in a group where the owner left the group. It certainly CAN be done without designating a new owner. I've been one of the last two left in a group, after all owners and officers had abandoned it. Not once, but several times.

One way is if the account gets cancelled by the owner, or terminated by LL for cause or for non-payment of Premium dues. If the account ceases to exist, it isn't group Owner any more.

But they can also just leave the group. I've seen that happen too, where they formed a new group for some purpose, and the old group was still there as a relic, without the original owner or officers, and only existed because others didn't get the word to leave the group.

They can't leave the group, but they can leave Second Life.

We had to close down a NCI-related group last year. What I did as owner was send out weekly Group Notices explaining why the group was being closed and how to join NCI to get the same benefit (setting home to parcels at each NCI Campus) for a month. Then as owner, I ejected everyone from the group, and then quit it myself.