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Erin Talamasca

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01-31-2008 16:41

Last night I recorded Wonderland - a documentary about relationships in SL. I have to say, I didn't have high hopes from the description:

From: someone

This is a curious and unsettling glimpse of the future. Film-maker Fergus O'Brien tells the stories of couples who have begun relationships in Second Life, the online world where people create "avatars" (moveable 3-D icons) of themselves and embark on "virtual" extramarital affairs. Carolyn was a depressed American housewife who reinvented herself as a sexy siren in Second Life, hooked up (digitally) with a British man called Eliot, and drifted away from her husband and children. "It was like being reborn," she says, and later: "Most people wouldn't dare to open that Pandora's box." Except, this is a box you dive into, full of addictive pleasures - of tropical resorts and restaurants where dolphins leap through fountains. The power of the film comes from the contrast between those highsheen fantasy landscapes and the real world of, say, a housing estate in Nuneaton. It leaves us with plenty to think about.

Moveable 3-D icons?!

I recorded it and watched the first 10-15 mins tonight - and as I suspected, it wasn't about SL, it was just about some horrible, horrible people who cheated on their partners and just happened to do so through SL.

The point where I turned off was where Carolyn had a fight with her SL partner, and her husband, pretty much aware of what was going on, heard her crying over the apparent end of the relationship and came into the bedroom (where she'd holed-up and ignored her family for the past god-knows-how-long) and declared "I love you as much as you love him!"

"That was really sad" she said in voice-over, "Because I realised I had so much emotion tied up in this relationship."

*smacks head on desk*

Did anyone else get any further through it than me? Does it get any better? I figure the bias is pretty obvious ("the online world where people create "avatars" of themselves and embark on "virtual" extramarital affairs"

...

Well, my mum told me that the show was on, so if she watched it I can only assume she now thinks I'm having an affair

Go BBC!

Cherry Czervik

Came To Her Senses

Join date: 18 Feb 2006

Posts: 3,680

01-31-2008 16:52

There's an existing thread about this. It was pants, and lots of us laughed at it. I found it depressing.

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Lana Tomba

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Join date: 5 Aug 2004

Posts: 746

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01-31-2008 17:03

I have to agree. After watching CSI my Mom was convinced that I was being stalked by pedophiles and blue furries who murdered people and then blew out their brains while sitting at their keyboard.

I understand that SL needs coverage but it seems their PR dept. (if any) is doing a poor job.

These guys are taking artistic license way too far.

Theres sooo many wonderful positive things about SL. Why do they cater to these stories that cheapen Seconds Lifes true potential?

~Lana Tomba

Ciaran Laval

Mostly Harmless

Join date: 11 Mar 2007

Posts: 7,951

01-31-2008 17:08

From: Erin Talamasca

Did anyone else get any further through it than me? Does it get any better? I figure the bias is pretty obvious ("the online world where people create "avatars" of themselves and embark on "virtual" extramarital affairs"

...

Well you missed the couple who got married then and have a kid due, where they showed the SL wedding. They showed plenty of SL there.

The American woman coming to Britain looked staged to me, I wonder who paid for her flight tickets.

I didn't think it was bad for SL, I'm sure it will have attracted some people, made some people think everyone here is weird and delighted Rivers Run Red.

SuezanneC Baskerville

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01-31-2008 17:08

From: Erin Talamasca

Moveable 3-D icons?!

Cursor might be more accurate. Animated 3D cursors.

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Damien Walworth

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Join date: 10 Nov 2007

Posts: 181

01-31-2008 17:16

No such thing as bad publicity.

For every person who thinks "omg how awful, real marriages splitting up, that SL must be terrible" there are 100 others thinking "wow! free cybersex with cartoons? Where do I join??"

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Cunundrum Alcott

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Join date: 15 Jan 2007

Posts: 773

01-31-2008 17:47

Free cybersex with toons, where do I join?

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Pocket Pfeffer

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Join date: 19 May 2007

Posts: 586

02-01-2008 02:56

I enjoyed hearing the second couples story....found it kind of 'inspirational'. Having said that though, I still haven't made up my mind of the whole topic of SL relationships, I still have enough trouble figuring out my RL ones!

And also, there are so many many other aspects of SL that the media seem to largely ignore. Hey, BBC, why not do a documentary about residents who attend classes or make clothing or build amazing structures or people who have managed to figure out things like scripting or streaming etc.

Regarding sex in SL, haven't tried it (yet

) but who knows what could happen...well at least ya can't get preggers...and that's a BIG plus in my book.....

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Broccoli Curry

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02-01-2008 02:59

From: someone

Second Life, the online world where people create "avatars" (moveable 3-D icons) of themselves and embark on "virtual" extramarital affairs.

Geez.. that makes it sound like that's what SL was created for, and the only thing people do here.

I've sent off a complaint - http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/make_complaint_step1.shtml - to the BBC that they didn't explain that there is more to Second Life than affairs, and would encourage others to do the same.

Maybe then they'll put some positive stuff out about SL.

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Fiona Calhoun

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Join date: 11 Jun 2006

Posts: 31

02-01-2008 04:02

From: Lana Tomba

Theres sooo many wonderful positive things about SL. Why do they cater to these stories that cheapen Seconds Lifes true potential?

~Lana Tomba

The Wonderland series is about the odd individuals that live on the fringes of British society - people who most folk would see as maybe a bit strange. The other week it was about people who live on Bodmin moor - including a fella that eats roadkill and another that another that hunts for big cats on the moor.

I doubt the intention was to pick on SL in particular - it could easily have been an internet dating site or even World of Warcraft. I think the intention was to look at the kind of people who build up relationships on the internet, sometimes at the expense of real life relationships.

The BBC are usually pretty upbeat about new tech things like second life - I think they even have some SL groups on the go - I visited a place call New Brighton the other night and I think they have a BBC radio 1 group there.

Carolyn Crosley

Born from the Mind

Join date: 19 Oct 2006

Posts: 332

02-01-2008 04:36

From: Erin Talamasca

The point where I turned off was where Carolyn had a fight with her SL partner, and her husband, pretty much aware of what was going on, heard her crying over the apparent end of the relationship and came into the bedroom (where she'd holed-up and ignored her family for the past god-knows-how-long) and declared "I love you as much as you love him!"

Carolyn????? Let me assure everyone that it wasn't me!!!!! I didn't see it and from what I'm hearing, I'm glad I didn't!

Don't you just love the way the media always has to put a negative spin on everything?

Dekka Raymaker

thinking very hard

Join date: 4 Feb 2007

Posts: 3,898

02-01-2008 06:55

the day after this was shown they had 18k sign ups, I wonder how many had seen this program first?

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Erin Talamasca Registered User Join date: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 617	01-31-2008 16:41 Last night I recorded Wonderland - a documentary about relationships in SL. I have to say, I didn't have high hopes from the description: From: someone This is a curious and unsettling glimpse of the future. Film-maker Fergus O'Brien tells the stories of couples who have begun relationships in Second Life, the online world where people create "avatars" (moveable 3-D icons) of themselves and embark on "virtual" extramarital affairs. Carolyn was a depressed American housewife who reinvented herself as a sexy siren in Second Life, hooked up (digitally) with a British man called Eliot, and drifted away from her husband and children. "It was like being reborn," she says, and later: "Most people wouldn't dare to open that Pandora's box." Except, this is a box you dive into, full of addictive pleasures - of tropical resorts and restaurants where dolphins leap through fountains. The power of the film comes from the contrast between those highsheen fantasy landscapes and the real world of, say, a housing estate in Nuneaton. It leaves us with plenty to think about. Moveable 3-D icons?! I recorded it and watched the first 10-15 mins tonight - and as I suspected, it wasn't about SL, it was just about some horrible, horrible people who cheated on their partners and just happened to do so through SL. The point where I turned off was where Carolyn had a fight with her SL partner, and her husband, pretty much aware of what was going on, heard her crying over the apparent end of the relationship and came into the bedroom (where she'd holed-up and ignored her family for the past god-knows-how-long) and declared "I love you as much as you love him!" "That was really sad" she said in voice-over, "Because I realised I had so much emotion tied up in this relationship." smacks head on desk Did anyone else get any further through it than me? Does it get any better? I figure the bias is pretty obvious ("the online world where people create "avatars" of themselves and embark on "virtual" extramarital affairs"... Well, my mum told me that the show was on, so if she watched it I can only assume she now thinks I'm having an affair Go BBC!
Cherry Czervik Came To Her Senses Join date: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 3,680	01-31-2008 16:52 There's an existing thread about this. It was pants, and lots of us laughed at it. I found it depressing. _____________________ To exchange power is sublime. To steal from another ... well, what goes around comes around.
Lana Tomba Cheap,Fast or Good Pick 1 Join date: 5 Aug 2004 Posts: 746	/agree 01-31-2008 17:03 I have to agree. After watching CSI my Mom was convinced that I was being stalked by pedophiles and blue furries who murdered people and then blew out their brains while sitting at their keyboard. I understand that SL needs coverage but it seems their PR dept. (if any) is doing a poor job. These guys are taking artistic license way too far. Theres sooo many wonderful positive things about SL. Why do they cater to these stories that cheapen Seconds Lifes true potential? ~Lana Tomba
Ciaran Laval Mostly Harmless Join date: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 7,951	01-31-2008 17:08 From: Erin Talamasca Did anyone else get any further through it than me? Does it get any better? I figure the bias is pretty obvious ("the online world where people create "avatars" of themselves and embark on "virtual" extramarital affairs"... Well you missed the couple who got married then and have a kid due, where they showed the SL wedding. They showed plenty of SL there. The American woman coming to Britain looked staged to me, I wonder who paid for her flight tickets. I didn't think it was bad for SL, I'm sure it will have attracted some people, made some people think everyone here is weird and delighted Rivers Run Red.
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	01-31-2008 17:08 From: Erin Talamasca Moveable 3-D icons?! Cursor might be more accurate. Animated 3D cursors. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Damien Walworth Neko boy Join date: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 181	01-31-2008 17:16 No such thing as bad publicity. For every person who thinks "omg how awful, real marriages splitting up, that SL must be terrible" there are 100 others thinking "wow! free cybersex with cartoons? Where do I join??" _____________________ ,,,=^.^=,,,
Cunundrum Alcott A Sardonic Pessimist Join date: 15 Jan 2007 Posts: 773	01-31-2008 17:47 Free cybersex with toons, where do I join? _____________________
Pocket Pfeffer Vide Cor Meum Join date: 19 May 2007 Posts: 586	02-01-2008 02:56 I enjoyed hearing the second couples story....found it kind of 'inspirational'. Having said that though, I still haven't made up my mind of the whole topic of SL relationships, I still have enough trouble figuring out my RL ones! And also, there are so many many other aspects of SL that the media seem to largely ignore. Hey, BBC, why not do a documentary about residents who attend classes or make clothing or build amazing structures or people who have managed to figure out things like scripting or streaming etc. Regarding sex in SL, haven't tried it (yet ) but who knows what could happen...well at least ya can't get preggers...and that's a BIG plus in my book..... _____________________ [url=http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=75848]My Nonsense[/url]
Broccoli Curry I am my alt's alt's alt. Join date: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,660	02-01-2008 02:59 From: someone Second Life, the online world where people create "avatars" (moveable 3-D icons) of themselves and embark on "virtual" extramarital affairs. Geez.. that makes it sound like that's what SL was created for, and the only thing people do here. I've sent off a complaint - http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/make_complaint_step1.shtml - to the BBC that they didn't explain that there is more to Second Life than affairs, and would encourage others to do the same. Maybe then they'll put some positive stuff out about SL. _____________________ ~ This space has been abandoned as I can no longer afford it.
Fiona Calhoun Rockettgirl Join date: 11 Jun 2006 Posts: 31	02-01-2008 04:02 From: Lana Tomba Theres sooo many wonderful positive things about SL. Why do they cater to these stories that cheapen Seconds Lifes true potential? ~Lana Tomba The Wonderland series is about the odd individuals that live on the fringes of British society - people who most folk would see as maybe a bit strange. The other week it was about people who live on Bodmin moor - including a fella that eats roadkill and another that another that hunts for big cats on the moor. I doubt the intention was to pick on SL in particular - it could easily have been an internet dating site or even World of Warcraft. I think the intention was to look at the kind of people who build up relationships on the internet, sometimes at the expense of real life relationships. The BBC are usually pretty upbeat about new tech things like second life - I think they even have some SL groups on the go - I visited a place call New Brighton the other night and I think they have a BBC radio 1 group there.
Carolyn Crosley Born from the Mind Join date: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 332	02-01-2008 04:36 From: Erin Talamasca The point where I turned off was where Carolyn had a fight with her SL partner, and her husband, pretty much aware of what was going on, heard her crying over the apparent end of the relationship and came into the bedroom (where she'd holed-up and ignored her family for the past god-knows-how-long) and declared "I love you as much as you love him!" Carolyn????? Let me assure everyone that it wasn't me!!!!! I didn't see it and from what I'm hearing, I'm glad I didn't! Don't you just love the way the media always has to put a negative spin on everything?
Dekka Raymaker thinking very hard Join date: 4 Feb 2007 Posts: 3,898	02-01-2008 06:55 the day after this was shown they had 18k sign ups, I wonder how many had seen this program first?