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any place where one can jam with other musicians?

Trolane Demonia
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02-15-2008 07:22
Are there any places one can go and setup a mic and just jam out somestuff?
I'm not talking about singing and stuff so its not a hey come listen to me for an hour thing.
I'm talking about just everytone just sitting around jamming some stuff out.

I can imagine it might be quite hard with internet latency though.
Michael Bigwig
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02-15-2008 07:23
From: Trolane Demonia
Are there any places one can go and setup a mic and just jam out somestuff?
I'm not talking about singing and stuff so its not a hey come listen to me for an hour thing.
I'm talking about just everytone just sitting around jamming some stuff out.

I can imagine it might be quite hard with internet latency though.


It won't work. Lag (latency) won't allow two musicians to 'jam' together...it simply won't work. I wish it would...that would be awesome.
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Trolane Demonia
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02-15-2008 07:26
are there any places one can go and just play some guitar then ?
Sally Silvera
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02-15-2008 07:35
Hi Trolane,

If you want to play music of any kind in SL, check out the SL music community forum:

http://slmc.myfastforum.org/index.php

There's lots of information available there as well as a whole bunch of helpful people who wuill be happy to help you.

There's also information there about jamming in SL, which happens regularly.
It also works ;)

If you just want to sit around playing you need to find someone who will let you use their music stream. Again, check out the SLMC forum. You can read the forum without registering. If you want to post you'll need to register for free.

ETA: if you just want to play for friends - sitting around the campfire and such - you could use the voice channel, but that does affect the sound quality.

Hope this helps, happy strumming :D

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02-15-2008 07:49
From: Michael Bigwig
It won't work. Lag (latency) won't allow two musicians to 'jam' together...it simply won't work. I wish it would...that would be awesome.


As Sally said, it does work, using software canned NinJam. I haven't really dug too far into it, but I know that's what Virtual Live Band and others use.
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02-15-2008 07:55
From: Sally Silvera
Hi Trolane,

If you want to play music of any kind in SL, check out the SL music community forum:

http://slmc.myfastforum.org/index.php

There's lots of information available there as well as a whole bunch of helpful people who wuill be happy to help you.

There's also information there about jamming in SL, which happens regularly.
It also works ;)

If you just want to sit around playing you need to find someone who will let you use their music stream. Again, check out the SLMC forum. You can read the forum without registering. If you want to post you'll need to register for free.

ETA: if you just want to play for friends - sitting around the campfire and such - you could use the voice channel, but that does affect the sound quality.

Hope this helps, happy strumming :D

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Wow, OK...give that a go. I'm not sure how an application can interpret each individuals ping/lag and accurately sync each client...I mean, it seems impossible. I have enough trouble recording multitrack information at home on my own rig and syncing channels...I'm not sure how accurate third-party lag syncing software is going to work...

I'll have to give this a go...do some more research. Cool news...
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Cherry Czervik
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02-15-2008 08:00
You're extremely welcome to come jam at my place. My partner is a guitarist also.

As has been said, lag means it would be nigh on impossible to play together (or else with guitar backing I'd be brave and sing) but you want to come over, no problem :)

***edit***

NinJam huh ...
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Sally Silvera
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02-15-2008 08:03
The SLMC sub-forum about jamming .....:

http://slmc.myfastforum.org/forum33.php

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02-15-2008 08:18
Thanks Sally. You rock. Has anyone told you that you rock today?

Well you do. Rock, that is :)
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Trolane Demonia
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02-15-2008 08:26
may take you up on that:)
think it would be cool to hang around and play even if its taking turns.
i looked at the ninjam and it doesn't look like it will work too well for stuff i want.

I like just having someone play a progression and i solo over it. kind of like a blues jam or something. Don't think having to wait a measure or so to hear someone's rhytym would work too hot. unless the rhythm plays a measure, i hear that, solo, then the server sends both together as the first measure, that would work i guess. but even the ninjam thing sais its not good for intricate stuff.
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02-15-2008 08:32
From: Cherry Czervik
Thanks Sally. You rock. Has anyone told you that you rock today?Well you do. Rock, that is :)


:o

Thanks Cherry.

Oh and for those who want to hear (and see..... sorry no audio only available as yet) a fabulous collaboration of two great SL musicians, who do not use NinJam.......:

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=nXJJ9K-m7X8

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02-15-2008 08:58
From: Sally Silvera
:o

Thanks Cherry.

Oh and for those who want to hear (and see..... sorry no audio only available as yet) a fabulous collaboration of two great SL musicians, who do not use NinJam.......:

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=nXJJ9K-m7X8

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Great job there...I don't know how that's possible--even if they were next door neighbors. I hear her counting down, to prepare the other musician to start...the thing is, they aren't playing together...they are just 'making it work' which, to me, isn't what jamming is all about. One of the musicians has to play behind the other one, purposefully playing off tempo...that ain't easy, and it ain't magical--even though the end result seems magical, the musician isn't flowing the way it's meant to be...err...flowed.

People jam because they want to get into the groove and feel each musicians' instant choices, and then make instant choices themselves. This can't be done over an internet connection.

Their performances is great though...nice song. Well done.
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Sally Silvera
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02-15-2008 09:15
From: Michael Bigwig
..they are just 'making it work' which, to me, isn't what jamming is all about.


That would be why I called it a collaboration :)


From: Michael Bigwig
People jam because they want to get into the groove and feel each musicians' instant choices, and then make instant choices themselves. This can't be done over an internet connection.


Unless several friends of mine have been lying to me :p... this can be done and _is_ done in SL :-) (Don't ask me how, I don't know..)


From: Michael Bigwig
Their performances is great though...nice song. Well done.


JueL Resistance and Cylindrian Rutabaga :D

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02-15-2008 10:15
Your always welcome to come Jam at our folk club, we got a great audience and have lots of fun. IM me in world and I'll talk to you about it. (Not mentioning the name here cause I'm not sure if it violates anything or I'm being self promoting or unethical) :))
Trolane Demonia
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02-15-2008 11:30
i'd be a bit out of place with folk i think. Blues or Metal jam be something more me, but i could try. Could do a clean (no distortion) bluesy thing.
Sue Saintlouis
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02-15-2008 11:48
I would love to have open mic and such at my place, and I have my own stream. I have several regular members who have talent in vocals and/or instrumental. Does anyone know how that NinJam works? Any info on how to set it up?
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Sally Silvera
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02-15-2008 11:54
From: Sue Saintlouis
I would love to have open mic and such at my place, and I have my own stream. I have several regular members who have talent in vocals and/or instrumental. Does anyone know how that NinJam works? Any info on how to set it up?


Hi Sue,

Check out the info on the SL music community forums:

http://slmc.myfastforum.org/index.php

the sub-forum about Ninjams:

http://slmc.myfastforum.org/forum33.php

You'll also find a thread about how to set it up :)

No rgeistration required to read the forum there. Free registration if you want to post.

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I have a feeling I´m repeating myself :D

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02-15-2008 12:09
From: Sally Silvera
Unless several friends of mine have been lying to me :p... this can be done and _is_ done in SL :-) (Don't ask me how, I don't know..)



It may be done...but not the way we think about jamming in the real world. It's impossible to jam, in real time, on the same beat, with another musician.

These programs they are using use a trick to make 'jamming' possible. It's hard to describe, but it works like this...

"The NINJAM client records and streams synchronized intervals of music between participants. Just as the interval finishes recording, it begins playing on everyone else's client. So when you play through an interval, you're playing along with the previous interval of everybody else, and they're playing along with your previous interval. If this sounds pretty bizarre, it sort of is, until you get used to it, then it becomes pretty natural. In many ways, it can be more forgiving than a normal jam, because mistakes propagate differently."

Ya, that's pretty cool...but it's not real-time.
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Trolane Demonia
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02-15-2008 13:31
mike you want to try it out sometime this weekend? what do you play?
we could play with the ninjam and try it. send me an IM.
In fact anyone wanting to try jamming or just mess around and listen to eachother IM me.
Sue Saintlouis
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02-17-2008 10:49
Thank you Sally, I've passed it on to my musician friends.
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