Sale of Group Owned Land

The club which I own, along with two other owners, sits on land rented from a private estate owner, and currently I am the owner of the land. I want to deed the land to group so that some of the group officers can use some of the group land controls (like banning and returning objects).

When I told our landlord that I was planning to deed the land to group, and asked if there was anything I needed to know about doing this, her reponse was to make sure that only one owner has the ability to set the land for sale.

Reading the Second Life Wiki, it seems that all group owners have the ability to set land for sale; there is no way to give one owner more or less power than another in this regard. It is actually very explicit: "There is nothing you can do if a rogue officer 'steals' all the land from others. Period."

I assume this means that there is no way to actually enforce one owner having the ability to sell the land to the exclusion of other officers. Is this correct? If so, I assume our landlord meant that there should only be one person in the group in the Owner role.

Make sure you don't tick the owner makes contribution tickbox when doing this.

Sounds like the sim owner is giving sound advice, basically on your head be it:

Owners: "These are the owners of the group. They always have FULL POWER over the group."

Your other group members absolutely DO NOT need to be in the "Owner" role!

You can grant virtually ANY power that they actually need, such as banning, admitting people to the group, returning objects; with any of the OTHER roles. Heck, you could create a role and call it "Janitor", and have that role be able to ban people, return prims, and do all those functions, without giving them ANY other rights at all!

You should not deed it to a group with *OWNERS* who are not either 1) Your Alts or 2) Real life people that you trust your $$ with.

You can, however, create a group with *OFFICERS* other than yourself and give them the ability to ban and return objects.

Sitting down right now and changing my group's parcel manager's title to Janitor.

One more tip. If you decide to sell the land later on, first sell is back to yourself for 0. Otherwise the proceeds are going to be shared in the group.

To be precise, it gets split equally by all individuals in a role with the "Pay Liabilities" role permission checked. By default, this is true for the "Everyone" role, that all group members must be part of. It is wise to uncheck that for every role except Owner.

I have a similar question.

How to safely lease land?

I've seen where people allow people to 'buy' the land and then also continue to rent it - the land is not really THEIRS to own or to resell, and they do not pay the tier on it to Linden Labs. They pay it to the landlord/lady.

So how does one safely do that, and yet allow the person 'ownership' rights while on the land such as setting music/video URL, terraform, rez, build, etc.? I'm a bit nervous to do this...

thanks for any tips.

That needs to be done very carefully so as not to get hit by a big tier bill from LL. Best to just do as Ceera reccomends. The $L will be put in your account within 24 hours.

Private sim?

I own land I deeded to group and I own land I have under my name. So this could apply in either case; in fact ideally I'd like to know how best to do this in either case.

So when a landowner has someone 'buy the land for $1L' (or sometimes a couple of thousand - ripppp offf!) then pay rent on it but calls them an owner - to me that is leasing, since the ownership is still retained by the land owner who is paying the actual fees and tier to LL.

But people seem to do this without anyone walking off with their land. How is this safely done? Without the person losing land for good and without the renter/leaser ending up with tier? thanks.

It only works that way on private sims. The sell land is to put it in the renter's (or renter's group) name. This allows them to have full ownership rights. Of course, the covenant supercedes such rights. If you exercise putting up ban lines for instance, in violation of a covenant, you could find yourself in trouble with the sim owner.

If the landlord allows resale, it is more or less only the right to rent that is being sold. The land will always stay with the sim owner, and they are the one paying each month in US dollars for the land. The new owner in this case needs to arrange tier payments, etc. with the sim owner after the purchase.

Established sims often "sell" for a $L1 or one weeks rent. New folks charge more sometimes, because they are trying to recover the big outlay in cash that the sim cost them to purchase.

This does not work on mainland. If you sell the parcel, it is no longer yours. A strictly rental agreement will be needed here. The renter needs to be invited to an appropriate group, and all parcel powers will be done through the group settings.

BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT POWERS YOU GIVE IN THIS SITUATION!

^ Thank you very much, Jannae. Much appreciated. ^

Private estate owners can do that because they always have the option of reclaiming the land. There is no way for someone owning or renting part of a private estate sim to pay LL directly. The person that owns the whole island will continue to pay LL for the entire thing no matter how many individual "owners" are listed on parcels in that sim.

I guess I was typing slow.

Argos: no, that added further understanding, and I appreciate it very much - thank you.

I was never clear on that point before this thread - and I had sim confused with lot/parcel, I think. Thanks both.

You are very welcome.

Back to the war in Zindra thread.

LOL

More like jousting with paper towel rolls and folded construction paper helmets.