Emerald and Notecards

It's not often that I write notecards but I wrote one yesterday and today, and I was using the Emerald viewer (at the start). I wrote part of it, saved it, and it seemed to be fine. I continued writing it and then I saved it again. It didn't get saved. I tried a few times and it didn't get saved. I wondered if I'd silently crashed, so I relogged and found that the notecard hadn't been saved after the first part.

I continued adding to the text and saving, but it wasn't getting saved. To be more exact, sometimes it would save and sometimes it wouldn't - and sometimes it would return a previous version after a save attempt. So I logged in with the normal viewer and had no problems in saving the notecard with each change.

That was yesterday. Today I needed to modify the notecard and I hadn't yet decided that the Emerald viewer is no good for it. So I started with the Emerald viewer. The same non-saving happened with it. I relogged into the normal viewer and had no problems at all.

So I conclude that, for whatever reason, the Emerald viewer is no good for writing notecards. I'm not using the latest version, which came out a few days ago. I'm using the version before that one.

I have no problem writing notecards with it....fwiw.

Is it the most up to date version of the Emerald viewer Phil? I know that the LL viewer was forcibly upgraded to deal with a notecard exploit, so maybe the Emerald one you have is suffering because of changes made in the way notecards are handled.

Pep (Groping in the dark)

Aha. I wonder if that's the reason, Pep. I have the version before the latest one. But the latest server update came after the latest Emerald version, didn't it? Either way, I'll get the latest Emerald and see what happens.

It's well worth me knowing, Aebleskiver (reference to your "fwiw". It means that the problem is most likely with my side rather than it being general. And Pep's suggestion might account for it.

Yeah phil it's that forced update they did server side and released a new client for, I was having the same issues so I had to goto the new client they pushed. I should check to see if greenlife updated or not.

They patched server code in addition to pushing out the new viewer.

"If you choose to remain on 1.22.11, you may notice changes in the way notecard editing behaves". As I remember from discussions, if you edit and Save a notecard in an object, you have to close the edit and Edit the object again before you can successfully edit the notecard again.

It' not a bug. It's a feature.

Sling. The notecard I was editing *was* in an object and what you remember from discussions sounds like it's probably what I experienced, but I didn't know the way to handle it.

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I've downloaded the latest Emerald but I haven't tried it yet. If Sling's suggestion is the right one, then I'd expect the same problem with it because it came out before the server update, but now I will know what to do - edit only notecards that are in my inventory, and move them there for the purpose if they are in objects.

Update:

I've done a little test with the latest Emerald, and it's just the same as before - it doesn't work. So it looks like Sling's suggestion was the right one. Don't use Emerald to edit notecards in objects. Drag it into your inventory, edit it from there, and put it back into the object again.

Saving the notecard will actually work fine; the viewer just won't get the asset UUID of the new notecard and hence refresh the old one.

You can either do the delete/drag/drop thingy, or simply save the notecard, close it, wait a few seconds for the object's inventory to update and then reopen the notecard.

Emerald devs say in their own forums that the newest Emerald is based on 1.23.4 code, not the 1.23.5 code that came out hours after their new version of Emerald.

They are planning a patch soon to some bugs in their new version, and that patch will use the new 1.23.5. code as well, fixing the notecard issue.

http://www.modularsystems.sl/index.php?option=com_agora&task=topic&id=1012&Itemid=2

That's not what I found. In the Emerald viewer, I created a notecard and put it into the object. I opened it from there, and typed and saved one line of text. The nc returned empty from save. I closed the nc and opened it again (a new editing session). I wrote an additional line of text and saved. It still returned empty from save.

I relogged, still using the Emerald viewer, and opened the nc. The second line was there but the first line wasn't.

BTW, it's not just Emerald; I have the same prob with an earlier version of Snowglobe.

In any case, they don't say exactly what problems you'd see when editing notecards in objects with an older viewer, which is smart -- it's hard to anticipate and describe all the details of behavior when something's not working as designed.

A program is like a house of cards, where each card is an assumption maintained by lower levels of code and supporting higher levels (and that's in a *structured* design). Pull one out and it's very difficult to predict where things will fall.

Did you, though, close the build window as well as the notecard editor? My experience is that you have to do both.

I tested this by writing a line on a notecard while it was still in my inventory, adding it to an object and saving. I then added a line to the notecard in the object, saved it, and the new line vanished. I closed and reopened the editor. Still no sign of my new line. Closed both the editor and the build window, and then took another look at the notecard and there were my changes. I tried this a few times, and really seems to work.

Some of the Emerald developers were saying in LordGregGreg's group today that they hoped to have the updated version released over the weekend, with this and several other bug-fixes, so with luck things should be back to normal soon.

I didn't close the build (Edit) box because I didn't have it open. I used the Open box instead and closed that even before I started.

It doesn't really matter though because it's not worth having to close and open between each save of the notecard. It's better to write it from my inventory and put it into the object when it's done, or logging in with the standard viewer to do it. And it should be fixed soon, anyway.