Sheesh, were you neglected as a baby or what?
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Pixieplumb Flanagan
Prop. Baby Monkey
Join date: 10 Feb 2007
Posts: 268
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12-03-2009 03:48
I have a store and a mall. The buildings are by Fatima Ur, and are fairly simple in style. I have done my best to make the whole place attractive and pleasant to explore and shop. When I was designing the mall, I left a small area 'cut out' to use as a studio. The studio itself is a skybox, and I intended to landscape the ground area as a small walled garden. I went there to do this, and saw that my neighbour had terraformed his land to make steps leading down into this area. Beyond the steps was a large building in a style very disimilar to the buildings I use. I IM'd him to let him know I would be putting up a wall, as a walled garden without a wall wouldn't work too well. I guess he didn't like this, as he first removed his build, only to replace it on a huge raised mega prim!, and then added 50 x 50 mega prim walls in a textured glowing bright red on all sides of his land adjoining mine, and something on his land is belching out black smoke particles which find their way onto my land depending on the wind direction. He has also put up a sign suggesting that we stop building! I haven't bothered to build the garden, and have removed my small walls, as I have no enthusiasm for this now.
If he simply disliked my build, why would he have steps leading to it? If he wanted to screen his land, why does he have to have such a deliberately ugly texture on my side? He could have made his wall alpha on the reverse, but I guess this sort of vandalism is his way of making a point. He needs to be seen. I have muted him, and raised a support ticket with LL, and many of my group members have AR'd him too.
I know, it's his world, his imagination, but you have to wonder at the pointless spite of such an idiot.
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
Join date: 17 Jan 2007
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12-03-2009 04:18
I try to make my borders blend in with my neighbours, including those in the next sims. I can only really do it my smoothing the land so that there are no sharp drops and such. In one case, I made a junction in my meanderingi road, that leads into a neighbour's store - he made an opening for it. It's not always possible to smooth the borders and sometimes a neighbour will ignore it and do his/her own thing anyway.
If I'd been you, I would have recognised and appreciated the neighbour's efforts at a smooth transition and changed my plans to incorporate them. A garden can still be garden without a wall all the way round it.
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Dekka Raymaker
thinking very hard
Join date: 4 Feb 2007
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12-03-2009 04:21
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan I IM'd him to let him know I would be putting up a wall… Maybe he just took this the wrong way, I cannot myself understand why you did this in the first place, it's like saying 'bugger off'! Edit: Phil said it much nicer 
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Pixieplumb Flanagan
Prop. Baby Monkey
Join date: 10 Feb 2007
Posts: 268
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12-03-2009 05:10
From: Dekka Raymaker Maybe he just took this the wrong way, I cannot myself understand why you did this in the first place, it's like saying 'bugger off'! Edit: Phil said it much nicer  I did it because that was always my plan for that patch of land, to make a private walled garden in a particular style. Had I wanted to say 'bugger off' I would have, but I didn't - I just had a plan for that area. Isn't it more to the point that he has since felt the need to raise his build and put up huge mega prim walls so that he can delude himself into thinking that he cannot be ignored? And, incidentally, I am not the one dispersing particles onto a neighbours plot. That's land griefing, and shows what a nasty, spiteful and stupid person he is.
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Sassy Romano
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12-03-2009 05:23
This is a good place to advertise my new word. "Dramatainment" The process of deriving entertainment from the drama of others 
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
Join date: 17 Jan 2007
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12-03-2009 05:25
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan Isn't it more to the point that he has since felt the need to raise his build and put up huge mega prim walls so that he can delude himself into thinking that he cannot be ignored? Judging by this thread, he didn't delude himself at all 
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
Join date: 17 Jan 2007
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12-03-2009 05:30
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan I did it because that was always my plan for that patch of land, to make a private walled garden in a particular style. But don't you think that fitting in with neighbours matters? Leaving aside his reaction to your message, he did put time and effort into fitting is with your land. Is a particular walled garden design so important to you that you couldn't modify it in view of his efforts to fit in with your land and make the land so much better than individul plots in isolation from other plots? There is far too much parcel isolationism on the mainland for my liking. It's why I try to smooth my borders with those around me.
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
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12-03-2009 05:34
From: Sassy Romano This is a good place to advertise my new word. "Dramatainment" The process of deriving entertainment from the drama of others  I like dramatainment - almost as much as I like good gossip 
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Rafe Phoenix
AKA Rafe Zessinthal
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
Posts: 490
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12-03-2009 05:36
Why IM him at all? Just put up phantom prims for your walls with a tranparent texture on his side. He would never had known the difference until he visited your garden and then he would understand the effect you were going for.
As it stands you sent him an IM saying 'I'm putting up a wall between our two lands' without any real communication. Basically you were saying 'I don't wanna play nice with you' and he responded in kind.
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Aeslyn Dae
over and out
Join date: 12 Jul 2007
Posts: 453
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12-03-2009 05:53
From: Rafe Phoenix Why IM him at all? Just put up phantom prims for your walls with a tranparent texture on his side. He would never had known the difference until he visited your garden and then he would understand the effect you were going for.
As it stands you sent him an IM saying 'I'm putting up a wall between our two lands' without any real communication. Basically you were saying 'I don't wanna play nice with you' and he responded in kind. The neighbour does appear to have taken the IM that way, but I'd say Pixie should try and arrange an on-site meet with the guy to explain what she actually meant and was trying to achieve - that she wasn't intending to grief him. Then at least she'll have tried to be fair and it'll be entirely up to him if he wants to be unpleasant or a decent and reasonable neighbour and negotiate some sort of compromise. IMO each side just digging in heels only makes things worse for both, once these misunderstandings happen. -- Aes
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RockAndRoll Michigan
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12-03-2009 05:55
Rather than stating "I'm putting up a wall" it would be better in the long run to put it this way:
"Hi, I see you've built steps down from your land to mine. I think it's only fair to let you know what my intentions for that section of my property are.
It's my intent to make that a private, walled-in garden. I'm afraid this would leave your steps leading down to a solid wall without a gate in it."
Says the same thing but smoothes things over so you aren't seen as just being a jerk.
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Pixieplumb Flanagan
Prop. Baby Monkey
Join date: 10 Feb 2007
Posts: 268
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12-03-2009 06:03
From: Rafe Phoenix Why IM him at all? Just put up phantom prims for your walls with a tranparent texture on his side. He would never had known the difference until he visited your garden and then he would understand the effect you were going for.
As it stands you sent him an IM saying 'I'm putting up a wall between our two lands' without any real communication. Basically you were saying 'I don't wanna play nice with you' and he responded in kind. I didn't think of using phantom, but actually my wall was alpha on his side. Also, my IM to him was perfectly polite and said that I hoped he wouldn't mind, but I had plans already for that area.
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Rafe Phoenix
AKA Rafe Zessinthal
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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12-03-2009 06:10
From: Aeslyn Dae The neighbour does appear to have taken the IM that way, but I'd say Pixie should try and arrange an on-site meet with the guy to explain what she actually meant and was trying to achieve - that she wasn't intending to grief him. Then at least she'll have tried to be fair and it'll be entirely up to him if he wants to be unpleasant or a decent and reasonable neighbour and negotiate some sort of compromise.
IMO each side just digging in heels only makes things worse for both, once these misunderstandings happen.
-- Aes I totally agree. There was no harm meant in the original IM but either poor wording or poor interpretation (a little of both I would guess) led to a bad situation. Only contacting the other land owner an working things out is going to solve this. Not coming to the forums telling everyone how childish her neighbor is being.
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Qie Niangao
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12-03-2009 06:11
Robert Frost notwithstanding, good fences do not necessarily make good neighbors.
If a neighbor makes the slightest effort to blend in to the terrain, they are a blessing beyond measure.
It appears this neighbor has taken the extra step of teaching that lesson, with vivid illustrations for persistent recall--and at no extra charge.
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Pixieplumb Flanagan
Prop. Baby Monkey
Join date: 10 Feb 2007
Posts: 268
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12-03-2009 06:27
From: Qie Niangao Robert Frost notwithstanding, good fences do not necessarily make good neighbors.
If a neighbor makes the slightest effort to blend in to the terrain, they are a blessing beyond measure.
It appears this neighbor has taken the extra step of teaching that lesson, with vivid illustrations for persistent recall--and at no extra charge. Hell yeah - it's a public service, I should probably tip him! Thanks for the kind advice and sympathetic ear - remind me to be as charming when your neighbours send particles into your land for no reason, and hoist their fugly buildings way up in the air! I WAS a good neighbour - now I couldn't give a shit - he can get stuffed, and I shall ignore him, his stupid builds and his ugly heart. Can't say fairer than that! eta - at least on this occasion LL have seen sense and removed the eyesores for me - thanks guys
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Rafe Phoenix
AKA Rafe Zessinthal
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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12-03-2009 06:30
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan I didn't think of using phantom, but actually my wall was alpha on his side. Also, my IM to him was perfectly polite and said that I hoped he wouldn't mind, but I had plans already for that area. If your walls were trans on his side you were not effecting his view therefore not effecting him or his build. The guy would never had known a wall had been built unless he bumped into it. I ask again, why IM him in the first place? Out of courtesy I know. You did the courteous thing and got screwed, it sux. Without reading the original IM and not knowing if he was online and able to respond right away no-one can judge who is being unrealistic here. Upon signing on to SL and getting an IM stating "hey I have plans for my land and a wall is going up between us. I hope you don't mind," I might be offended a bit too. Try talking to him in real time if its possible with your schedule. Explain to him that you appreciated the way that he incorporated his land to your land and you wanted him to know that you had an invisible wall between your parcels. Make the offer of peace and leave the rest to him. You can't make him change his land to what it once was but you can ask him nicely (in real time not offline IM) to fix the misunderstanding.
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Rafe Phoenix
AKA Rafe Zessinthal
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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12-03-2009 06:37
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan Hell yeah - it's a public service, I should probably tip him!
Thanks for the kind advice and sympathetic ear - remind me to be as charming when your neighbours send particles into your land for no reason, and hoist their fugly buildings way up in the air! I WAS a good neighbour - now I couldn't give a shit - he can get stuffed, and I shall ignore him, his stupid builds and his ugly heart. Can't say fairer than that!
eta - at least on this occasion LL have seen sense and removed the eyesores for me - thanks guys If you want sympathy don't post these things in the forums. If you want real honest answers and probable solutions then by all means post. The guy originally made an attempt to blend with your land. You dissed him by stating that you're putting up a wall. He repaid your actions in kind. Its a misunderstanding between the two of you. Work it out with him. Just because a Linden took it down does not mean that he can't rebuild something else that is just as bad but not a TOS violation. Make peace with him, its the only real answer.
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Chokolate Latte
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Join date: 22 Dec 2007
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12-03-2009 06:43
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan Hell yeah - it's a public service, I should probably tip him!
Thanks for the kind advice and sympathetic ear - remind me to be as charming when your neighbours send particles into your land for no reason, and hoist their fugly buildings way up in the air! I WAS a good neighbour - now I couldn't give a shit - he can get stuffed, and I shall ignore him, his stupid builds and his ugly heart. Can't say fairer than that!
eta - at least on this occasion LL have seen sense and removed the eyesores for me - thanks guys You would really get further and have a better future there by keeping calm and discussing the situation with your neighbour. Muting and reporting will not make a happy neighbourhood. I would guess that he wanted to make it all fit in and join seamlessly, I was lucky enough when I had 1/4 sim mainland that my neighbours did similar to your neighbour. They built an arch leading to my land from theirs, in return I built my pathway to incorporate it. Guess what, we had a great relationship with the lands welcoming each other and each others customers. His reaction to your snub on it I do think was rather overboard, but some people do over react when hurt or upset.
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sable Valentine
AU United
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12-03-2009 06:48
From: Rafe Phoenix If you want sympathy don't post these things in the forums. If you want real honest answers and probable solutions then by all means post. That^^ is so true.
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