zooming in on avatar, some prims disappear

ARGH I am at a loss on this one, noticed it once before, but now it seems to be doing it more

if anyone has or knows of a JIRA for this, I will vote on it

I am currently fiddling with prims, making some earrings, now, I stand on a posing stand, ready to adjust the earrings... zoom in on avatar... whoa.. where did the earrings and my hair go?

I am not so close as to be inside the avatar, the earrings and hair just... disappear...

anyone have this happen to them, and if so how did you fix it
makes adjusting prims rather difficult when I can't see them to edit them...

(and too small to edit from a distance)
and even if I do edit then zoom, they still disappear, just left with what looks like invisible prims in edit mode



edited to add
I tried sitting on a simple box prim, and zooming and they did not disappear, I tried just standing there, no pose stand, they did not disappear, I tried going into appearance mode they did not disappear

just seems to be the posing stand thing...

very very strange (going to try digging out another pose stand and see what happens

just tried different pose stand, again prims disappear...
both stands (I think all basic stands) use this animation in the script
turn_180

I am 800 meters up, brought it to ground level and it still causes hair and earrings to disappear when zooming in on the avatar

did some digging here is a jira on it
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8920

Does it to me too, Rha, and it doesn't require that the avvie be on a pose stand.

That's been happening to me too for a while now. For me it usually doesn't happen if I'm not sitting on something, but sometimes it still does. It only happens with the two most recent RC viewers (which also freeze for about a minute when I click the texture pane, ugh). I've just been sticking with the current release viewer for editing.

I've seen this bug too, prims disappearing on myself and other avatars from certain camera angles and distances. (No pose stands in my case either, and it is not all prims, just some, usually the hair.)

I'll go have a look at the jira you found.

*edit: voted

UGH is right, I been having this issue too, I thought it was just me, the selecting a texture freeze thing

THAT is annoying, having to wait each time to add a texture, blech
also get that freeze when trying to add someone to a group, the name picker thing when opening it, to search out the name, it freezes up


thanks for the vote Nimue

Voted on http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8920




Maya...here is the jira for the texture pane freeze.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8818

voted for the texture pane freeze, ty for the link

bumping to see if anyone has found a work around for this disappearing prim issue

I don't want to use an older client (even if I could) and not open to 3rd party clients either

just hoping that maybe there is a way around this

I have noticed that on my model pose stands it doesn't seem to happen, but happens with the stand that has the script for the turn_180 animation in it


does anyone have an animation that stands you like the turn_180 does (basic editing appearance stance)

Buried in the comments of the jira, there's a hint that seems to work for me: if all the sides of the thing I'm sitting on are completely non-alpha, the prim attachments don't disappear. The effect seems to happen with both alpha textures and to regular textures that have llSetAlpha() applied. YMMV.

Sounds like either LOD or alpha sorting issue. What's your 'object details' setting in prefs? Does it matter if you crank it up to max?

It's more like LOD than alpha-sorting. If one highlights transparent, one sees that the missing attached prims are simply not drawn at all. But I don't think it's LOD exactly, because the problem only arises when the cam is *near* the affected prims. According to the jira comments, the refactored rendering code of the 1.22 viewer doesn't exhibit the problem, but it seems they have no intention of figuring out why, and will go ahead with 1.21 as an official release without fixing this bug.

(Dunno 'bout anybody else, but "refactored rendering code" sounds pretty damned scary to me.)

If it's a rendering cone issue. (Imagine a cone going from your camera out into the world. Everyting inside the cone is rendered (your view) everything outside is not). If you're close to an object, you're at the beginning of the 'cone' and stuff will fall outside of it a lot earlier)

You can change the cone by using the zoom controls (ctrl-8,ctrl-9,ctrl-0). So maybe moving camera a little further away, then zooming in using ctrl-8 will allow you to still see it.
(Or the other way around... go REAL close with cam, then actually zoom out using ctrl-9)

To go closer with cam to an avatar: Rez an object BEHIND the posestand, and cam in on that, instead of the avie itself.

Just tried that. Zooming (with Control-8, -9, -0) has no effect on it at all. Neither does moving the cam closer (with alt-drag), but pulling it back causes the attached prims to draw normally. Oh, and the setting of Object Details seems to have no effect.

yeah all those tips were suggested to me as well and I tried them, and nope, they do not work

the strange part is that this happens only in some situations and not others

for example I can zoom really close when using a modeling stand, but if I use any of the basic stands that people hand out for free, the one with the turn_180 animation in it (done via script) it causes the prims to disappear, and on some stands all prims disappear, other stands only some

there seems to be no exact rhyme or reason

frustrating to say the least

and it is not the LOD if it were the LOD it would happen to all prims, not just attached to avatar prims


the one thing I have not tried though is having solid objects completly around me (such as basic default textured walls or something

for me the sky is my backdrop as I am 800 meters up, but this also happens when on the ground too (with of course random trees buildings etc behind me

so I will try the solid walls thing when I log in again

whew I thought I was going nuts! Happens here on pose stands as well.... I use 3 different ones for editing and it happens to all.

Gee, I wonder if we're experiencing different problems. I was all set to write up my own simple turn_180 animated posing stand to test this out, when I realized I had plenty of these things in my Inventory. So I rezzed every single one of them, and only one exhibited the behavior--and it was the one that had a texture that included an alpha channel. As soon as I replaced that texture with the blank texture, the problem disappeared on that posing stand, too -- and when I added a little transparency to the ones with no alpha channeled textures, they generated the problem as well. And I can always make the missing attached prims reappear if I pull my cam back far enough (using alt-drag), but as soon as I <escape> back to default view, they disappear again. So, if that's not the behavior you're seeing, then perhaps we have two different bugs at work here.

I never tried it on a stand I made myself to ensure no transparency in the stand (I misunderstood what you meant, I thought you meant the items around you being transparent)

when I log in I will give that a try, and if it works for me as well, then I will go to the jira post on this issue and update with that info, but need to test it first

sorry took so long to come back to this thread

I finally had a chance to test this out, and sure enough, a stand with no alpha textures at all, causes the hair and such to remain when zoomed in on

so my basic plywood stand, works great (so far)

I am going to check the jira see if this was posted, if not I will post it as a temp work around/fix