neighbour prims crossing my parcel border

hi

like the topic says: neighbour prims crossing my parcel border.
What can I do about it when he did it on purpose and have fun of it - my asks dint work.
The prims arent on my land but in fact parts of them - ugly textrured , not phantom ones are crossing my land borders I think for about one meter. What can I do?
(my land options are set to not allow etc)

(in general - I can agree to have some parts of my neighbour prims on my parcel but not when he is rude and have fun in annoying people)

Whole story if u want to read it

(I bought land, some time later somebody bought parcel near me. He started to talk to me on rather not polite way saying that he is not allowing me build over 15m and only if it will be something nice. When I told that I think I am allowed to build on my land I got some "shit", "bastards" words from him. Then he put some objects to interfere with my building. Then changed it to another ones. I asked him twice POLITELY to move the prims out but he only said he wants me to delete my buildings. So I muted and ban him plus all his friends where some of them are people with names like "lickme" etc. I dont want naked or halfnaked people on my land having sex just to annoy me.

Sounds like you're the target of griefing.

File an abuse report.

Include a picture of the offending prims.

Hope it gets answered.

If he does not remove his prims - you can abuse report it. Also - in My Land option under objects - set to return to 1 - its defaulted to 0 - that will automaticly send back any prim that isnt yours to its owner that are on your land.

Sounds like you are going to have problems with him - try to continue to chat with him and see if you can resolve the issues. Otherwise - you may always have problems and you might just want to sell and buy land somewhere else.

Good luck to both of you.

thanks for answer


I filled the report 6 days ago...
is there no other way to get rid of prisms crossing parcel border but not being on the parcel?

I am not sure he is griefing me. Took him 2 days to find the way to ban me on his parcel (I know he wanted to do that before) and I noticed he banned as well his sex partners (from my ban list) as well . But for sure he is realizing what he is doing with the prims - according to his answers on my asks.

But for sure he is unpolite

thanks
but how I cant talk to someone who names me "shit" or so only becouse I am not agree to delete things on my parcel?
autoreturn is set on 1 min. the land settings dont allow to entry build. The prims arent on my parcels but parts of them are.
Ok - when I am friendly and polite and someone abuses me in Second Life - it means I am loser and have to sell land?

Did you report this to Linden? Report Abuse?

Try also contact a live Linden (do a search on Linden). Tell them you don't know what to do, but you are being forced to sell your land.

You are being griefed. You have the right to use the land as you will. If you sell the land, he is encouraged to continue this behavior.

Any Linden will straighten it out, file the abuse report, locate a live helper Linden if you can.

There was a feature request along these lines on the JIRA which you could vote for. I think it may be VWR-705 but the URL isn't loading for me right now so I can't check, sorry.

Well good luck LLABS does not even look at those these days. I filed mine and I still can`t get a call back...........figures!

thanks for all answers
finding people here friendly and helpfull makes me think that staying in SLmaybe wasn't bad decision despite all cons around. thanks

finding Linden online - I tried to do it, the results was only two IM sent to offline Lindens. I stopped - I don't want to spam (maybe I did something wrong - I was really new born when I was doing it)

after some minutes of tries I got on the mentioned feature request page ( https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-705 ) it is about: "We need a function that can return other people's objects on your land. The lack of such a function makes automatic efforts to counter sim attacks somewhat ineffective. I'm trying to design a system to automatically counter mass rezzing attacks in my sandbox,..." when we are talking here about objects which are not counted as being on land but parts of them are. Anyway I wasn't able to vote or made my request. About 15 minutes of looking for posting/voting links I gave up.


What Usagi Musashi wrote is really sad. So long time to answer for Lindens isn't a good thing. I reported sexual abuse and assult when I was on help island and got no reply. I thought maybe I filled on bad way the report but now I know.
(btw - I was unable to move on the help island thanks to the griefers. sitting down and muting them was only a part solution when far camera sight didnt reach the boards I wanted to read - it was a moment I had to log out and almost decide to leave SL at once)

Get 20 or 30 of your friends together, all on your parcel, and all of you fire off an AR at the offending land owner next door, all at once. The Lindens are flagging multiple AR reports from multiple people as a high-priority, and are likely ignoring solitary AR's.

But in short, the only way to avid this sort of crap is to stop living on the unregulated mainland and move to a Private Island sim, where the landlord gives a d*** about their tenants rights, and will not put up with such tactics.

If he is placing prims on your land, turn on your auto-return to get rid of them.

If he is placing them on his land and then sliding them onto yours with the intent of griefing you (and it sounds like he is), but keeping their center point on his land so you can't return them, then AR him. AR him today, AR him again tomorrow, and the day after, and every day that he continues to harass you.

I had the exact same thing happen to me (almost the same thing... the harasser was placing her prims on someone else's land then rotating it into mine, so it griefed not just me but also that other land owner... who was coincidentally a good friend of the griefer, but that's another story). It only took 2 AR's (one from me & one from my partner) before Guy Linden came out and dealt with the offender. A month after Guy Linden returned the offending prims, the incident even managed to get posted to the police blotter. In my case, this was not the first time that griefer had harassed me, but it was the first time that a warning was issued by the Lindens. Don't expect an immediate response. The lindens have many duties and only a small staff to handle them. And Guy is the one who deals with land issues, so you can imagine how backed up he is. But he does get to it eventually. And eventually, if your neighbor keeps it up, he'll get the message in the form of an official warning, followed by more extreme measures if he continues. You simply need patience.

I wonder if unclicking the object entry box under About Land might work? Theoretically it's supposed to stop objects from other entering your property... Never had a reason or chance to try it though. Would it stop something like this?

Oh, and keep ARing. Have your friends do the same when they come visiting. Eventually, a Linden will get to it.

If all else fails you can make a big wall that is ugly from your neighbour's side but pretty (trees or sky or something) on yours. If this is on your land it would not be griefing your neighbour as you can build what you like on your land! Tell the neighbour you'll take the wall down if he moves his prim.

As far as I'm aware, an object is considered by the SL system to be on the piece of land where its center is. So someone can place a 10x10x10 cube just inside their plot and half of this will be on their neighbor's land.

The system doesn't pick this up itself, and auto return doesn't help any. If you can't get your neighbor to sort it, then you would need to report it to LL to try to get it removed.

The most odd building I've seen when searching for a piece of land, was a tower that started within some guy's 512m2 plot, but then extended out about 5m over his neighbor's land about 20m up in the air. Needless to say, it was the neighbor's land that was for sale - and I didn't buy it.

Allex

nice thanks for all replays and your help

I completly didn't know that I have to repeat the ARs. Your information cleared it.
The player doesn't know how to link objects , copy them so for now I am a bit safe because he is building very slow. Today he destroyed his old construction (finally no more his grass on my floor level) but he started another one - ugly texture prims (couse it is imposible to name it house) crossing my land borders on high of 30 or 40 meters. I can only say LOL but of course I will keep reporting him.
(I am rather not up to "answer" him build something even more ugly or so. I am doing what I want but for sure that little bug wouln't take my time or effort to "show" him. he isnt worth it)

I think - it would be much better to allow neighbour construction/prim stay lest say - 1 minute (handy when we are building on our parcels and scaling, rotating or so) than let part of neighbours prims lay on strangers land only because of the center of prim rule. I cant suggest it to Lindes - the pages don't work for me

again - thanks to all who answered GL

I created a feature vote for this. Land owners should be able to get any prim off their land even if the center is on the owner of the prim's land.

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-744

Hi again, sorry I couldn't check the JIRA link I posted at the time (JIRA was down). I think it was actually an old 'voting system' feature I was remembering, but as Musicteacher posted, there is now a JIRA request: VWR-744 that you can vote on

Five votes - the ball has left the spot

great work. all land owners should be interested in that as long as they dont't want to send 5 reports every day in case they would be involved in such a situation.


PS. the jira loging system for me is broken (and it is somewhere reported as a bug ). cant do anything there - only read.

I think I owe it to all who wrote in this topic (and maybe it will be some help for people - who - like me - know nothing about such issues).

About 7 days from the day I reported (once) the abuser - I was able to see (exactly - see) how in one moment almost all prims were dleleted from my bad neighbour parcel. I got email from Lindens that the case is resolved.

5 hours later I have again big tree/ crossing my wall, border lines. Story started over. The abuser is learning. No more prims but now - tree. What will be next time - particles? (assuming he will learn how to do that).

again - if u land owner u have to do you citizen duty and vote at https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-744 to don't let - such situation will happen to you.

PS. I used the advice about constantly reporting the abuser and seems it worked - Lindens reacted very fast. - so imo it is most precious advice among others.

For sure - any kind of fight (like "do to your neighbour what he is doing to you" ISN;T a good thing. We have sandboxes in SL but we aren't children. Escalation leads only to such kind of things like the murders because of road trafic stress.

I like your attitude, Bluee. That's true, and I hadn't thought about it, our SL attitudes extend into RL actions as well as the other way around. Like the thing where they say the flap of a butterfly's wings in one part of the world could stir the air in just the right way to cause a tornado or cyclone somewhere else!

If it's a linden tree, then Control-Alt-Shift-3. The tree will simply not render on your screen. This will eliminate the problem it causes you, without escalation of any potential quarrel between you and your neighbor. His tree will still be there and he can see it. But on your screen it will be gone. Another Control-Alt -shift-3 will turn the rendering back on.

so - neighbour is aiming particle beams on my land - we should narrow visible particles count to 0? scripted sound objects - we should turn sound off?
And say to do the same to all our visitiors despite we have office on our parcel or just nice area to rest? The proposed solution leads to just stop "playing" SL. Let only griefers stay there?

PS: and no - the tree is made/owned by the neigbour. he elaborated it well to be on his land but turned inside my land.

Bluee,
You misunderstand me, I think. You have 2 options: [1] Fight with your neighbor or [2] ignore your neighbor by passively resisting him.

De-rezzing the tree is a passive solution (think Gandhi here). Let's assume that the tree was placed to grief you. If so, then your neighbor is expecting a hostile/aggressive response from you. De-rezzing the tree defeats his intent. It will frustrate him because his griefing is failing to work, and it will likely lead him to do something else which he thinks will work better. You take a morale high road, while he will drop even deeper into his abyss. He gives up control as he no longer knows what will or won't work to irritate you.

On the other hand, you could argue with him, complain to him, fight with him, let him know that his griefing is succeeding. This will likely please him. You give up the power & control to him as you are reacting to him and his actions.

Right now, the tree is merely parcel encroachment. A very minor TOS violation. If, as we assume, that your neighbor is intent on griefing you, his next act will likely be a bigger TOS violation, perhaps something that can get him an official warning from Linden.

BTW, i'm not saying to stop AR'ing him. Each one counts; they all add up no matter how minor the TOS violation is.

I said before that I had a very similar situation to yours. It's true... almost identical. My situation is resolved. The griefing neighbor gave up, sold her land and moved on; I'm still there.

now u can vote at https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-744 Sometimes you have to click on the "log in" link on same right top to be able to see the "vote" option (left side pannel, bottom).
For all people who own or will own the land - the issue mentioned in the topic could be one day a vital thing. So vote.


PS: about my case- I was griefed with prims, trees (the same neighbour) a lot of times. Actually even now part of his prim is on my land in my glass (transparent) wall.
I was attacked (some kind of gun and scripted objects) on my land by my neighbour firend.
I reported all. And still I have, too. Now - every time I am logging in - I have to remember to mute the abuser to avoid his "werbal" presence.

Pity. On some way I feel Lindens don't have the best way to deal with such things.

(pity for me, maybe Lindens don't care, two of my friends who were going to pay for premium resigned. They don't want to deal with such situation like mine. And I have no moral right to put people in such situation - so I stopped refer people to sl).


I don't understand one thing - once I was in community creating free online game. We had about 3 thousands of regural users and some staff. All issues were solved in less than one day - usually minutes. Rules were easy, game was enough nice to be sold to company who interested in it. So why here in sl - there is in fact NO live support. Why we have to wait usually from 3-7 days for solving our reports?

I am still learning SL and new here. Maybe I just don't know something... . Anyway I am a bit tired of such situation. I can only imagine other members have other (much more serious) problems and they stay unresolved). pity