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DaQbet Kish

cautiously reckless

Join date: 22 Jan 2007

Posts: 1,064

07-10-2008 10:02

No question, just a knee jerk reaction.
Oh wait here’s a question.
Why is 50k online now “Higher-then-usual load”?
Didn’t we once get near 70k online?
Sorry that’s two questions but….pfft

Artoo Bellic

Registered User

Join date: 28 May 2008

Posts: 37

07-10-2008 10:04

Yeah what the hell
Im going on vacation tomorrow and I want to get some SL time in aughhh

DaQbet Kish

cautiously reckless

Join date: 22 Jan 2007

Posts: 1,064

07-10-2008 10:09

It's fixed. Im in.
Thank You

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Lias Leandros

mainlander

Join date: 20 Jul 2005

Posts: 3,458

07-10-2008 10:31

SL positive marketing might have gone out in an area that has not been exposed to it before. This usually causes a rush of free accounts on the grid.

After the French and Portuguese invasions the Lindens had said that they would inform the Mentor group (if they were aware of it) right before any marketing went out to any country that did not have SL yet. Obviously this is not going to happen.

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Lindal Kidd

Dances With Noobs

Join date: 26 Jun 2007

Posts: 8,371

07-10-2008 12:16

It didn't happen, Lian.

Apparently, last week there was a program about SL on Polish TV. This past weekend saw a HUGE influx of Polish newcomers on the Orientation Islands. The Mentors did pass around a Polish "Welcome to SL" notecard to hand out...but we got the notification after the invasion was already underway.

Not being able to read Polish, I have no idea what the thing says. It could be "This woman wants to have sex with you." Judging from a few of the newbies I ran into this last weekend, it probably was.

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Lias Leandros

mainlander

Join date: 20 Jul 2005

Posts: 3,458

07-10-2008 13:12

From: Lindal Kidd

It didn't happen, Lias.

Apparently, last week there was a program about SL on Polish TV. This past weekend saw a HUGE influx of Polish newcomers on the Orientation Islands. The Mentors did pass around a Polish "Welcome to SL" notecard to hand out...but we got the notification after the invasion was already underway.

Not being able to read Polish, I have no idea what the thing says. It could be "This woman wants to have sex with you." Judging from a few of the newbies I ran into this last weekend, it probably was.

This is what I am talking about. The last week of the SL5B the NCI Noob school had a 'round table event'. One panelist was a Mentor that teaches mentors, some NCI teachers and their Dean and a Community Team Linden.

We have over 3,600 registered mentors and they are talking about formerly handing the education of new players over to NCI. This completely disregards the HUGE volunteer team they have at their fingertips. I knwo our money can be spent better than that.

This Mentor Teacher guy was actually happy with his role in this plot. Utter nonsense. Linden Lab needs to get someone with real Volunteer Management background to utilize the massive volunteer pool it has at it's fingertips.

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DaQbet Kish

cautiously reckless

Join date: 22 Jan 2007

Posts: 1,064

07-10-2008 13:35

Well LL also said that they would limit access and suspend new registration during high concurrency too. What happened to that?

From: Robin Linden

…only those Second Life Residents who have transacted with Linden Lab either by being a premium account holder, owning land, or purchasing currency on the LindeX, will be able to log-in.

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/02/16/contingency-measures-to-ensure-service-as-second-life-grows/#more-777

LittleMe Jewell

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Join date: 8 Oct 2007

Posts: 11,319

07-10-2008 13:53

They actually do limit logins now during high load times - or at least there has been a message stating that reason (with corresponding message on the grid status page) a few times in the past couple of months.

However, best I know, there is no actual qualification for who can and cannot log in - they just limit logins.

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Viktoria Dovgal

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Join date: 29 Jul 2007

Posts: 3,593

07-10-2008 14:11

The premium-only login thing was abandoned. The interesting stuff in the SL blog seems to come out on the comments more than the articles =)

http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/07/10/rolling-restart-tuewedthu-july-8-10-please-test-sever-version-123-on-the-preview-grid-now/#comment-614606

From: someone

Re: blocking out people who have unpaid accounts, we did that *once*, and the reaction was so negative that we will not be doing that again. It may sound like a good idea– but the truth is that basic accounts are not all bots. There are a lot of people with basic accounts who are very rich contributors to Second Life– whether they rent land, spend money, or contribute in other ways by performing and participating in events. Additionally, when the database hits the wall, blocking logins for a few minutes (usually it takes less than 10 minutes) allows the database to get back on its feet than many other things we’ve resorted to. Since logging in is chancy and difficult *anyway* when the database as become overloaded, we block logins because it’s the fastest and lowest impact to get things working as well as possible for everybody again.

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DaQbet Kish

cautiously reckless

Join date: 22 Jan 2007

Posts: 1,064

07-10-2008 14:34

Well I think the three qualifiers listed by Robin should cover those of us who really really really want or need to get on the grid. Hell if someone cant take a few minutes to buy some $Ls on the LindeX, then they should be the one’s to wait for the database to get back on its feet.

Qie Niangao

Coin-operated

Join date: 24 May 2006

Posts: 7,138

07-10-2008 14:56

Could it be that, by the time they know the DB is getting in trouble, it's already in such deep doo-doo that even querying for whether login attempts are from NPIOF accounts would just push it over the edge? (That's of course assuming payment-info-on-file queries are routed through the central db, as are so many crazy things.)

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DaQbet Kish

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07-10-2008 19:53

maybe if they just do as I ask in the op this question of who gets to log in and who doesn’t would be moot

*heavy sigh

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Zaphod Kotobide

zOMGWTFPME!

Join date: 19 Oct 2006

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07-11-2008 06:31

"load" doesn't always correlate directly to user concurrency. You could have 30,000 online, and if enough of them are hitting the message queues and throwing requests at the asset system, you'll have high enough load to cause issues. The only connection between load and concurrency is probability.

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DaQbet Kish cautiously reckless Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,064	07-10-2008 10:02 No question, just a knee jerk reaction. Oh wait here’s a question. Why is 50k online now “Higher-then-usual load”? Didn’t we once get near 70k online? Sorry that’s two questions but….pfft
Artoo Bellic Registered User Join date: 28 May 2008 Posts: 37	07-10-2008 10:04 Yeah what the hell Im going on vacation tomorrow and I want to get some SL time in aughhh
DaQbet Kish cautiously reckless Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,064	07-10-2008 10:09 It's fixed. Im in. Thank You _____________________
Lias Leandros mainlander Join date: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3,458	07-10-2008 10:31 SL positive marketing might have gone out in an area that has not been exposed to it before. This usually causes a rush of free accounts on the grid. After the French and Portuguese invasions the Lindens had said that they would inform the Mentor group (if they were aware of it) right before any marketing went out to any country that did not have SL yet. Obviously this is not going to happen. . _____________________ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bear/214/199/107 Join in SL open enrollment CLUB JOBS to announce new DJ and Host Jobs for free. And on Avatar's United http://www.avatarsunited.com/groups/club-jobs
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	07-10-2008 12:16 It didn't happen, Lian. Apparently, last week there was a program about SL on Polish TV. This past weekend saw a HUGE influx of Polish newcomers on the Orientation Islands. The Mentors did pass around a Polish "Welcome to SL" notecard to hand out...but we got the notification after the invasion was already underway. Not being able to read Polish, I have no idea what the thing says. It could be "This woman wants to have sex with you." Judging from a few of the newbies I ran into this last weekend, it probably was. _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Lias Leandros mainlander Join date: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3,458	07-10-2008 13:12 From: Lindal Kidd It didn't happen, Lias. Apparently, last week there was a program about SL on Polish TV. This past weekend saw a HUGE influx of Polish newcomers on the Orientation Islands. The Mentors did pass around a Polish "Welcome to SL" notecard to hand out...but we got the notification after the invasion was already underway. Not being able to read Polish, I have no idea what the thing says. It could be "This woman wants to have sex with you." Judging from a few of the newbies I ran into this last weekend, it probably was. This is what I am talking about. The last week of the SL5B the NCI Noob school had a 'round table event'. One panelist was a Mentor that teaches mentors, some NCI teachers and their Dean and a Community Team Linden. We have over 3,600 registered mentors and they are talking about formerly handing the education of new players over to NCI. This completely disregards the HUGE volunteer team they have at their fingertips. I knwo our money can be spent better than that. This Mentor Teacher guy was actually happy with his role in this plot. Utter nonsense. Linden Lab needs to get someone with real Volunteer Management background to utilize the massive volunteer pool it has at it's fingertips. . _____________________ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bear/214/199/107 Join in SL open enrollment CLUB JOBS to announce new DJ and Host Jobs for free. And on Avatar's United http://www.avatarsunited.com/groups/club-jobs
DaQbet Kish cautiously reckless Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,064	07-10-2008 13:35 Well LL also said that they would limit access and suspend new registration during high concurrency too. What happened to that? From: Robin Linden …only those Second Life Residents who have transacted with Linden Lab either by being a premium account holder, owning land, or purchasing currency on the LindeX, will be able to log-in. http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/02/16/contingency-measures-to-ensure-service-as-second-life-grows/#more-777
LittleMe Jewell ........... Join date: 8 Oct 2007 Posts: 11,319	07-10-2008 13:53 They actually do limit logins now during high load times - or at least there has been a message stating that reason (with corresponding message on the grid status page) a few times in the past couple of months. However, best I know, there is no actual qualification for who can and cannot log in - they just limit logins. _____________________ ♥♥♥ -Lil Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
Viktoria Dovgal … Join date: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,593	07-10-2008 14:11 The premium-only login thing was abandoned. The interesting stuff in the SL blog seems to come out on the comments more than the articles =) http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/07/10/rolling-restart-tuewedthu-july-8-10-please-test-sever-version-123-on-the-preview-grid-now/#comment-614606 From: someone Re: blocking out people who have unpaid accounts, we did that once, and the reaction was so negative that we will not be doing that again. It may sound like a good idea– but the truth is that basic accounts are not all bots. There are a lot of people with basic accounts who are very rich contributors to Second Life– whether they rent land, spend money, or contribute in other ways by performing and participating in events. Additionally, when the database hits the wall, blocking logins for a few minutes (usually it takes less than 10 minutes) allows the database to get back on its feet than many other things we’ve resorted to. Since logging in is chancy and difficult anyway when the database as become overloaded, we block logins because it’s the fastest and lowest impact to get things working as well as possible for everybody again. _____________________
DaQbet Kish cautiously reckless Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,064	07-10-2008 14:34 Well I think the three qualifiers listed by Robin should cover those of us who really really really want or need to get on the grid. Hell if someone cant take a few minutes to buy some $Ls on the LindeX, then they should be the one’s to wait for the database to get back on its feet.
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	07-10-2008 14:56 Could it be that, by the time they know the DB is getting in trouble, it's already in such deep doo-doo that even querying for whether login attempts are from NPIOF accounts would just push it over the edge? (That's of course assuming payment-info-on-file queries are routed through the central db, as are so many crazy things.) _____________________ Archived for Your Protection
DaQbet Kish cautiously reckless Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,064	07-10-2008 19:53 maybe if they just do as I ask in the op this question of who gets to log in and who doesn’t would be moot *heavy sigh _____________________
Zaphod Kotobide zOMGWTFPME! Join date: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,087	07-11-2008 06:31 "load" doesn't always correlate directly to user concurrency. You could have 30,000 online, and if enough of them are hitting the message queues and throwing requests at the asset system, you'll have high enough load to cause issues. The only connection between load and concurrency is probability. _____________________ From: Albert Einstein Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them.