Blue Boxes from hell....

Every 30 seconds or so a box appears on my screen reading
"Darcee Geewhiz's 'Prim Bin V1.11'
You have been banned for 1 day for making a
mess in FOR SALE - FLAT GREEN LAND - FOR SALE.
Never make a mess in other people's land."
There are two buttons; Okay and Ignore.

I DID open a box on what I thought was public land, and was teleported out before I even had a chance to receive the contents of the box...(which cost me L$3000).

This has been happening for a couple days now, I've IM'ed Darcee twice, but I think he just created the program, he or she is not the one who is making my life hell.

Please help, any suggestion would be welcome.

mute her

the box you lost endedup in your lost&found or in the trash folder when it was deleted/returned
if it wasn`t returned, go back to the land and grab it from an adjusted parcel

Or give an alt or a friend the rights to modify your objects. They can delete it for you and it returns to your lost & found

Im not worried about the box.. its the constant pop-ups. I muted the resident who's name is on the pop up, but I think he just created the "Prim Bin" that plagues me... Im still getting them.

Copy the entire text of the message into an abuse report, give as much detail as to what happened and that you are constantly being spammed by this. File it as harassment.

Sounds like sl love to me.

A prim bin is an object created by darling brody.

She has a history of creating TOS breaking items and selling them.

Wow, thanks for so many responses, what a great community. I did file an abuse complaint with a word for word description of the spam-box or w/e. How long does it usually take to get a response from SL?

longer then you can hold your breath

The only time i ever ar'd someone for spam, is stopped the next day.

I've never received a response on any AR that I've sent to LL. You can only hope that they take care of the issue. You'll get nothing more than an acknowledgement receipt of the abuse report that you've filed.

Neither muting the owner or the object will stop an llDialog... probably best to just try and push it on JIRA and nag for a fix in-world until they get around to fixing it.

What is JIRA?

It's the same thing as the AR system:

LOL

almost

The difference is that in Jira Mob rule doesn't dominate. Everyone is ignored equally.

Prim Bin Information
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* Prim Bin dose NOT Teleport you home. (Teleporting people home prevents them from cleaning up their mess)

* Prim Bin sends a "Warning" message if you rez between 1 to 4 objects on the parcel.

* Prim Bin will Ban you from the parcel resulting in you being ejected into a neighbouring parcel if you have rezzed 5 or more objects.

* Prim Bin will continue to remind you once a minute with a single dialog box to pick up the prims you left behind. It will stop when you log out.

* Prim Bin will not remind you again about your prims after you have logged out, unless you re-enter the region you made a mess. Then it will once again ask you to clean up the mess.

* Prim Bin will not send you another message if you go and pick up the offending objects you placed on somsone else's land without their permission.



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Clearly Ravi Rauch must have been opening more than one box, and not picking them up as she goes. This is exactly the kind of behaviour Prim Bin was designed to stop, people opening boxes all over private land and leaving them.

Ravi Rauch is not correct that the messages have been going for days, unless Ravi Rauch has been returning to the land she messed up and is not bothering to pick up her junk.

Prim Bin is intended for retail land so customers can rez retail boxes while gently encoraging them to clean up, while taking a stronger approch to griefers who rez junk to make a mess. I'm sure Whispering Hush was one of the griefers who would come to my shop and rez large objects to obstruct shoppers. Mr Hush has good reason to resent Prim Bin.

Clearly Ravi should follow the advice already given to pick up the junk from a neighbouring parcel. The minute you do Prim Bin will ignore you again. After a few days you will be unbanned from the parcel automaticly.

I have to ask, why on earth did you think a parcel marked "FOR SALE - FLAT GREEN LAND - FOR SALE" was public land? One assumes there was also one of those big spinning For Sale signs, as well as the text "FOR SALE - FLAT GREEN LAND - FOR SALE" on your status bar!


Darling Brody
Quantum Products

No, that's what "Land Auto Return" is for.

I think Ravi is new (right, Ravi?) judging from the Apr 2008 join date... you can't expect newbies to know everything or to check everything. Personally if the land allowed build I would be inclined to believe I was allowed to rez stuff there, whether or not it was for sale. Presumably if the owner didn't want me to rez stuff, s/he would have turned off build permissions.

As for the not picking up boxes... depends on how fast Prim Bin acts, it could be that the person was ejected before s/he could pick them up. Sometimes lag is a factor too - if I try to rez something that doesn't appear after a few seconds, I try again, and then later end up with two boxes there instead of one. This has happened to me a few times before.

Darling - just a question... perhaps I'm misunderstanding:

Based upon your description above, it looks like people will be banned if they rez 5 or more objects on a parcel, and it will remind them continuously until they either cleanup, logout, or return.

First of all, do you mean 5 *prims* or 5 *objects*? If you're using llGetParcelPrimOwners(), it will only return the *prim* count. If Ravi rezzed a single object with multiple prims, this could have put her over the edge.

Secondly, if it bans the user after rezzing 5 objects/prims - how can they clean up their objects if they're banned from the parcel? Experienced users can figure out how to cam over & clean up - but a new resident would be at a complete loss on what to do, and get stuck. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding how this works?

Yes, it does sound rather like Ms. Brody has created a product that a) isn't needed, because there are existing tools to do the job, and b) contains faulty logic that leads to obnoxious behavior.

Yeeks.

OP: If you really think this thing is worth it, you could not only file an AR with the Lindens, but report it as a TOS violator to SL Exchange.

Me, I'd settle for getting it to shut up.

What a horrible thing to use and a waste of money. If you don't want anyone to rez objects on your land use your land tools.

I see it as a harassment, someone just waiting to try and catch someone.

Too bad that as far as I know, you can only AR the owner of the object, not the creator. The worst griefing tools can be sold without problem so why not this one

Whatever the intentions of making this tool were, its quite stupid to send blue boxes every 1 minute. The way I read it, it is griefing instead of stopping griefers. As multiple persons said, there are land tools to clean up after griefers, an item sending out blue boxes every 1 minute is not needed for that.

So if your object is still on the land, go to a parcel next to the land, use your cam to get your stuff into view, and pick it up. Aparantly the land owner did not have the proper knowledge to set auto-return, so your 3000 linden object must still be there

Just my personal opinion here....

There are indeed instances where the landowner can't enable autoreturn. Such as when they have objects they wish to keep, but aren't owned by them, and the owner is incommunicado. So there is a need for such a tool, in certain instances.

However, (unless Darling clarifies that it works differently) - it sounds to me that the needs of the landowner weren't balanced very well with the needs of the public at large. Many content creators have learned over the years that ignoring the court of public opinion can lead to disasterous results.

If a change were to be made, I'd reccomend that it send a warning message *only* while the person with dropped prims is over the landowners land (llOverMyLand()). Bans should only occur if the prim count continues to rise after the warning messages are sent out... and those bans should be *temporary* in duration (If not for moral reasons, at least to prevent the landowner's parcel banlist from filling!).

Additionally, once you resort to land-banning someone, no further warning messages should be sent out. You have to assume that once they're banned, they no longer have a way to clean up their prims, and its up to the landowner to return them.

Hope this is useful!

QFT

While I can think of several reasons you wouldn't be able to when the parcel is for sale, none of those are exactly good practices (advertising "landscaping included with sale" while they actually belong to someone other than the landowner and aren't really part of the sale).

Even if auto-return isn't an option, "no build" for "Everyone" is, especially for barren land that's for sale. Turning off object entry would leave only things like vehicles that can be abandoned on the parcel.