A little jumping up and down - foot stamping rant

I should know better than to rent from people who have this great price but are....well....odd

The first time I met this region owner she immediately kneeled in slave mode, said her master was upset with her, and went silent for about 6 hours. THAT should have been my first clue....

She mentioned she was a very hands off manager, and really did not want to be bothered....THAT should have been my second clue....

However...the price was so good I could not resist. When someone built a 150' tall mall next to me I said I need to move. She said no, I'll rent you this homested for 5,000/week I was like yea! She said you can do anything you like, I don't care what people do as long as they pay their rent....RED light...but hey...

Yesterday out of the blue she says, your terraforming makes people feel your unfriendly...take it down. I'm like huh, what, ?, where did that come from...

Needless to say after spending 7,500 on a beautiful waterfall and other magical trees, crystals etc. to go around my castle I was forced to leave.

Ok I know I know...you get what you pay for... (off to try to find another good deal)

yes maybe a few clues there but..having said that ive also met a few people who seemed oddballs initially but turned out to be really decent people.

With regard to the terraforming, was there a covenant to read? It often gives guidelines or rules about it in that document, for example *please amaintain waterways between land parcels or not to raise the land above a certain height etc.

When you share a sim with other people unless its pretty much stated in black & white about a theme or gives guidelines about style,land height etc you might find that indeed your taste doesnt blend in or fit with others tastes and the land owner might ask you to modify what youve done slightly/radically..it might be an idea before rushing off to another place to try and find a happy medium between you..perhaps offer to alter it a little or ask for suggestions as to what might be acceptable.

Of course..rushing off in a temper tantrum might feel the best thing to do at the moment, but would be a shame to loose a good deal for want of a few kind words and a pinch of tolerance on both sides?
good luck

I am very disappointed with you Candy!

Pep (was expecting a serious Friday thread and got a reasonable whinge.)

HOW TO FIND A GOOD ESTATE OWNER

1. How long have they been an SL resident?
2. How long have they owned their estate? Two years or more is a good indication of stability.
3. How many regions do they own? Ten or more is a good indication they are serious about running a business.
4. What does a Google search on their name turn up? If there are a lot of complaining rants on blogs, stay away.
5. What do their residents say about them?
6. What does the estate covenant say? Is it clear, reasonable? Does it permit what you want to do? If it does not, discuss your desires with the estate owner before renting. Is it TOO open? A covenant that says "you can do whatever" can be as bad as one that says "everything is forbidden".
7. How do they accept payment? Owners who ask for a long term "lease" with payment in advance may be con artists. Well run estates generally accept payment in $L or $USD. Many have a monthly payment schedule, a good compromise between parties IMO.
8. Do they respond quickly and courteously to your questions?

If they use an estate manager, do the same sort of research on them as you do on the estate owner. The manager is the person you will be dealing with on a day to day basis.

IS IT TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?

No landowner can rent out land for long at a loss. Figure the landowner's cost per prim per week. For example, on a standard full Class 5 estate region, the tier is $295 per month. That works out to L$18,040 per week, or L$1.20 per prim per week. You should expect to pay more than that...the owner must figure in a vacancy factor, a profit, and recover his initial investment. If you are offered less than about $L1.50 per prim per week, there is a catch somewhere. Although there is a lot of variation, most SL rental situations work out to around $L1.70 - $L2.75 per prim per week.

There was no covenant. And i completely agree that if you are renting a parcel next to others there is common courtesy to your neighbor. Whats strange is she repeatedly told me, this is your sim, you can do anything you like. I said, I'm going to raise up a terrain wall high enough so I don't have to see that huge tower on the sim next to me (and even as high as I made it I could STILL see it lol) and she again said, it's you sim do what you like.

I told her as I was picking up my stuff, your mind changes from one day to the next, it's been like that since I've known you.

When I first asked her about land there was only one other resident and she had 3 homested sims. Granted she was nuttyer than peanut brittle but she rented me about 12,000 sm for 14,000/month so I was happy. Then the sim started filling up which I did not care cause I'm over in my own little world.

That's $L1.17 per prim per week.

A homestead sim has 3750 prims and costs its owner $75USD per month (if they have one that's grandfathered). That works out to $L1.22 per prim per week that the owner must cover just to break even.

Re-read my previous remarks about "too good to be true."

So what do you do, say, hey your not charging me enough! Or just politely say thanks but no thanks?

Lindal's just saying if it's cheaper than the landlord is paying LL for it, realize that things may not go well. Maybe use it for a while, enjoy it while you can, but don't be surprised when it abrupty goes away.

I dispute number 3 on the basis that I own 2 regions and run one other..and Im very serious about my business thanks.

Estate managers dont always do the day to day running, Im on mine daily, alongside my managers, because i choose to work that way and we're busy , Im thorough like that.

Dont always assume space to rent on an estate runs alongside the estate as a whole , some landlords rent our portions to offset costs for themselves and are good people to deal with also and just as reliable.

The rest, yep agreed.

You know I think if a region owner has no covenant and rents to you, then decides they don't like what your doing and kicks you out there should be some SL complaint person to do something about it.

USD$95 a month is the grandfathered rate. I'm too tired to do the maths!

I did it for ya. $L1.55 per prim per week, which just further proves my point.

I'm sure you are, Faith. So am I, and I only own 1/2 region. None of my suggested touchstones are a sure guarantee of a good estate owner, and there are plenty of others who ARE good landlords (like you and me) who don't meet some of those standards. They are only things to look at...prospective tenants need to look at the WHOLE picture.

I think that is a unfair quote, not everyone is out to make a huge profit and actually enjoy creating communities, we are on mainland and although our rates might differ a little depending on the location, for example protected water, we rent out from 1.1 linden per prim, have long term tenants

gotta watch out for them evil land baronz...

...they are everywhere...

yes if the "WHOLE" picture is presented , Lin.

Especially those steampunk ones hey

Landlords aren't evil, look, we try and give you a rate better than Linden Lab give you. That's the goal of even us teeny weeny landlords.