unable to take back object

I rezzed an object on group land (deeded it to group) a few weeks ago, and now I want to take it back into my inventory. The group consists of me & my alt, and neither are able to take the object. When I inspect the object, it shows owner as (no owner). I was tempted to return it, but I have no idea where it will go & was afraid of losing it altogether.

Any idea why this is happening & how I can correct it? Thanks in advance.

It sounds like a temporary SL glitch that will correct after a while.

I have had no problem with returning the items - they have always gone back to the person that contributed the item in the first place. Not sure what causes the problem with 'take', because it happens sporadically when removing large numbers of items.

The returning is something that I have used a lot, only because of the sporadic issues with take. I sometimes just go straight to return since it always seems to work. No real issues with it not showing up in the right place. Rezzing items recently, on the other hand, has been a real adventure some days. I am always grateful when LL tells us the next day that we shouldn't try that the day before. Love that timely tech support communication...

It doesn't belong to YOU any more. It belongs to the group, because you deeded it to the group. That is why you can't take it into inventory.

To take it back, you need to buy it from the group. Set it for sale for L$0, and purchase it immediately. Then you will own it and can put it in your inventory.

Caveats:

Both when you deed an object to a group, and when you buy it back, this is a transfer of ownership, so whatever is set in the "next owner permissions" will apply to the new owner, and can't be less restrictive than the current owner. Hopefully prior to deeding or buying, you set those permissions to match the ones you initially had on the object when you made or purchased it.

Once set for sale, anyone can buy it, so move fast to purchase it. If you set the sale price to anything greater than zero, everyone in the group that has the "pay liabilities" role checked will get an equal share of the "purchase price". Assuming you own the group, and your alt is the only other member, if the item is valuable, I would set the purchase price to something fairly high, but that your main can afford, and then transfer the 50% cut that gets sent to the alt back to the main later. This will prevent some bot from swooping in and buying something like a valuable sexgen bed out from under your nose for a fraction of its actual value. It takes 24 hours or so for the proceeds from a group sale to be distributed, so those funds will be unavailable for about a day after the transfer.

It may just be an SL issue. Last night I was doing quite a lot of building, and taking copies as I went. Each copy took a loooong time to go into inventory. Also, items I was deleting weren't getting deleted first time around; I had to 'delete' them twice before they poufed. Give it a day or so, and try to take it again at a time when the grid's less populated, rather than when there's 70K+ logged in.

Edit: Ahh, thanks for that Ceera. That post goes into my 'SL problem solutions' notecard folder

I had to check that because I don't remember ever wanting to take a deeded object, and I found that you are mistaken. I checked with two objects that I deeded to my group, and the Take option isn't greyed out, so I can take them if I want to. I didn't actually take them because I want them where they are, but I can do.

Incidentally, there are VERY few cases where an object needs to actually be DEEDED to a group. Usually this is done only if the object is to receive payments to be split among group members; or if ownership is to be transferred completely, such as when a group member builds something for the Group, but intends to leave or be unavailable for an extended period. Allowing the group to fully own the item allows them to move or archive it later. (Archiving done by selling it to the group member who will archive a copy in their inventory).

Security orbs and multimedia systems are one case where deeding is required, because to use some or all of their scripted functions, the device has to be owned by the parcel owner. So to work on Group land, an orb or multimedia system will usually have to be deeded to the group.

In most cases, merely setting the object to the group is quite sufficient, and doesn't mess with who actually owns the item, or its permissions.

That's interesting, because it shouldn't work that way.

In the past, when I have set up security orbs for clients, the only way I could take the orb into my own inventory was if I purchased it from the land group.

It may be different if you are also the creator of the initial object. I know that there have been cases where I had created a building, and then deeded that building to a group, and that building was later returned when the sim was re-arranged, and the building came back to my own Lost and Found. So even though I didn't show as Owner, the fact that I did show as "creator" apparently gives some additional rights over the deeded object.

I thought of that I am the creator of one of the objects but not the other - that's why I checked the other. The other is the Freeview TV that's a freebie in my store. It's deeded to the group so that it works there.

Maybe things have changed. Test it by creating a prim, deeding it to the group, and then trying to Take it. And/or get a prim that someone else created - and alt maybe - and do the same.

I did more tests, and the object can only be taken if it is mod, but not otherwise.

If I'm the creator but didn't set it to mod, then it isn't set to mod when the group takes ownership. At that time, it's too late for me to set it to mod, of course.

The vast majority of stuff that I clear away allows me to take it, even though I deeded it to the group (and I am not a creator). I never bothered to see what the difference was between those that did and those that didn't. Enough didn't that if I were clearing off a large parcel, I would often go to the return button instead.

I've always just returned things, like you. Anything of mine that was deeded has just needed deleting.

I suggest that Lyncean plays safe, and doesn't return it while the owner is showing "owner unknown".

Do not deed no-transfer items. They will be deleted and return to nobody. Supposedly, the way to get those items back is by setting the object for sale.

I have never had a problem taking back anything that was deeded except no-transfer items. What needs to be checked is the group power to manipulate group-deeded objects. I restrict this power to myself and my managers because too many people screwed up their security systems that way.

Thank you all! This was very educational, even though I'm still having the problem.

I just logged in and tried setting it for sale (it is transferable, but no copy or modify). Afterward, there was no option to "buy" or "pay" for it. I still can't take it, and it still shows "nobody)" as group owner on inspection. Group is shown as owner in edit window.

This is the third day of having this problem now. It's not the end of the world if I lose this item, but I'd like to keep it if possible. I was able to take back several other things that I had deeded to the group, but not this one thing. It's frustrating.

I had the same problem with a tv I deeded to the group. None of us could return the item and when we changed houses we had to move the tv up high in the air, however when we decided to change land, we took a risk and returned the item - and it came back to me!!

So I wish you luck

Assuming that you are the owner of the group, the best explanation is that the object is now no-transfer. If the "next owner" permissions were no-transfer when you deeded it to the group, then there would be no way to undo that change. The owner of a group would have the ability to set any group-owned object as "for sale", *except* for group owned objects that are no-transfer.

There may come a time when you just have to bite the bullet and Return it - and cross your fingers.

The time did come. I clicked return, and it ended up in my lost & found. Whew!

Anyway, I appreciate all the responses. I learned a lot. Thanks!