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Preserving your SL chat logs

SuezanneC Baskerville
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08-14-2009 16:48
What do you do to preserve your SL chat logs?

I just realized I seem to have lost a few months of them, presumably as the result of one of the numerous SL viewers either deliberately or accidentally deleting them.
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Skell Dagger
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08-14-2009 17:14
I have the save filepaths for all of mine go to an entirely separate folder in My Documents. Installing a new viewer doesn't touch those at all. Also, every few months I append the from and to dates to the larger logs, so they don't get too unwieldy, and the viewer creates new ones.
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Brenda Connolly
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08-14-2009 17:19
I delete them about every two weeks.
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Drew Bhalti
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08-14-2009 17:40
I bought a 16 gig flash drive to purposely store them on. Ive have every log from when I started in march of 07


oops forgot was on alt account xD
Clarissa Lowell
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08-14-2009 17:43
Reading my own logs would remind me too much of the scene from "A Clockwork Orange" with the eyes propped open - only if someone forced me and then it might make me nauseous. I dunno why. Kind of like hearing your own voice on tape.

But I admit I am sentimental about RL mementos.
Briana Dawson
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08-14-2009 18:01
Archive them with encryption.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-15-2009 00:52
I archive them regularly to a shared folder on my home network called DivorceEvidence.

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Jig Chippewa
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08-15-2009 01:02
Do you mean our chats are kept??? Why would anyone want to do that? And how do I erase them?
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Callista Ronas
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08-16-2009 18:36
From: Jig Chippewa
Do you mean our chats are kept??? Why would anyone want to do that? And how do I erase them?


Not only can you save them on your computer, but they are also kept on the server at Linden Labs. Additionally, I have been told that anyone with the basic knowledge of Open Source can retrieve those chats.

I now use the Emerald browser which had chat encryption available for Emerald to Emerald users and it has a built in Radar hud for all of us paranoids in SL who want was goes on in SL to stay in SL. LOL!
Feldspar Millgrove
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08-16-2009 20:16
From: Jig Chippewa
Do you mean our chats are kept??? Why would anyone want to do that? And how do I erase them?


To my knowledge, LL records all of your actions: where you go, what you touch, things you buy (of course), and so on in great detail. All your Chat and IMs are recorded there as well. They have some formal policy regarding data retention that said something like it gets erased every 3 months. However, I was told at one point (several years into SL) that "to date, we haven't ever actually deleted anything".

I assume that they retain it for debugging, data mining, and law enforcement purposes. LL probably has a fireable-offense rule against accessing the information for random snooping, but who knows how well that's enforced, what real controls and access auditing is on it -- my guess would be approximately none. But I certainly have no inside knowledge of this. And although I've never heard it from an LL employee, I think it's safe to say that all the information is delivered (one way or another, with or without LL's cooperation) to the Department of Homeland Security, which has identified Second Life as a communication system that is likely used by terrorists.

I have not heard that communications are available to random hackers, and I've never studied the source code to SL, myself. IMs are not supposed to be interceptable. Hearing public Chat without your avatar being within range might or might not be possible through tricks. (Of course, someone can always trivially bug you using an object. And you can also have such an object follow someone around anywhere on the grid, I think.)

As for Voice, I heard a while back (on these forums, I believe) that someone had cracked that, because all you had to do was connect to the voice servers (at ViVox, I guess) and there was no security. Just figure out or guess or scan for the Voice channel that you want to hear, and it will hand it over to you.

What happens to your "private" data in the future? What if LL is cracked in to? What if it's an inside job, or some employee just walks off with this on a removable media device? What if the company is sold to someone? Who knows.

However, Linden Lab is sometimes seen as trying to position themselves as the trusted broker of information and identity credentials for everyone on the Internet -- all virtual worlds connected through them. THE social networking hub. Given their internal problems, the fact that they've been cracked into several times over the years, and the Aristotle debacle, their lack of transparency and the general feeling of mistrust they have engendered from their customers, and that it's all over the web in historical form...staking their business plan on their stellar reputation for security and customer trust seems like a ludicrous notion, to me.

On the other hand, my chat logs and IMs have not been disclosed, as far as I can tell. (Of course, I can't really tell!)

The short answer is: Expect no privacy in SL. Assume every little thing you do and say will eventually be revealed.

Similar things can be said for Facebook. Of course, I have heard that SL has more customers than Facebook. And SL has more IP Telephony than Vonage or Skype, too!

I wonder what SL 2.0 will be?
Coming in a few months!

PS. I log all my Chat/IMs on my computer. I hate it when it crashes and loses them!
I refer back to it for useful things people told me, and for remembering who people are that I haven't talked to in a long time, things like that.
Gabriele Graves
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08-16-2009 20:29
From: Callista Ronas
Additionally, I have been told that anyone with the basic knowledge of Open Source can retrieve those chats.
Open Source isn't a technology or a programming language - you cannot use knowledge of Open Source to discover a technical solution to anything. I think you are very mixed up here.

Perhaps you should link to where you learned all this? I would be very sceptical that anyone, who is not a Linden employee, can get someone else's chat from an LL server once it has been logged there.

Perhaps you are thinking of inworld scripted chat loggers that record chat as it happens?
Or a standard issue viewer that will log all the chat (on channel zero) you are in range of, if you have the appropriate settings set?
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08-16-2009 20:32
From: Jig Chippewa
Do you mean our chats are kept??? Why would anyone want to do that? And how do I erase them?
There are settings under Preferences, that allow you to log all chat and IM that you receive or are in range of (chat is restricted to channel zero only) to text files. These never get cleared down by themselves and grow taking up more and more space as time goes by.
Those settings should show you the location of the files being saved on your hard disk.

I have logged everything since April '07 and have backups from then to present day.
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