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Arua Rotaru
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10-14-2007 16:10
i cant find the updated list of approved and not approved games so hoping someone here can help me out

are greedy games allowed still to be played in game?
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Alicia Sautereau
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10-14-2007 16:15
aslong as they`re free

we have 1 at the hangout :D
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Cristalle Karami
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10-14-2007 16:16
as long as there is no payout.
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Arua Rotaru
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10-14-2007 16:18
darn that sucks i loved spending hours and hours playing greedy and tryin to win the pot i figured since its a game that does involve a bit of skill it would be allowed
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Malachi Petunia
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10-14-2007 17:57
Funny, I never played Greedy-Greedy for payout, in fact I didn't know it could. The game is brilliantly addictive without.

Yes, we have one of those at the Hangout in Allana as well as its big brother On-A-Roll. Before I put them out I checked with the redoubtable Karsten Rutledge to check if his games were compliant with the ban. They are when installed without debit permissions.

It isn't that some skill is required, it is the element of chance (rolling dice) that make the game illegal if it pays out.
Rocketman Raymaker
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10-14-2007 18:28
From: Malachi Petunia


It isn't that some skill is required, it is the element of chance (rolling dice) that make the game illegal if it pays out.



This makes no sense at all.

Each round of Zyngo brings 5 new randomly generated numbers which creates an element of chance although it does require skill as well.

So how in the world can Zyngo be legal but not Greedy?

They are both games that require skill but also have an element of chance.
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Malachi Petunia
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10-14-2007 19:04
It appears that Zyngo is illegal as well*. It also appears that enforcement - removal of games in SL - has been spotty and inconsistent.

Note that these games are not simply against LL's rules, they are currently illegal under the US SAFE Port Act of 2006.** Whether the Lindens are successful at removing illegal games doesn't remove the legal burden from you. Technically speaking, you would have to report any winnings on your 1040; practically speaking is anyone's guess.

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**http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_Port_Act
Zazas Oz
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Pay the Piggy???
10-14-2007 19:45
I was on an Island the other night and noticed Devil May Care (I belive its called-like slingo) being played. So I asked the host if it was ok to play it now and I was told as long as they pay the Piggy its ok.

I look and they have a piggy standing there and when they ask for people to pay the piggy the piggy automatically sends the L's to the board. When the game is over the people get paid and oh they still of course are reminding people to put in 20% into the piggy :P

Now I'm thinking doesnt that make the piggy a middle man of sorts and isnt that still gambleing? The host said that as long as the piggy is paying noone is doing anything wrong. I think they are just delusional thinking LOL. Ok maybe not delusional but I believe they are still gambleing. Am I wrong?
Malachi Petunia
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10-14-2007 20:47
From: someone
I believe they are still gambling. Am I wrong?
I don't think so, using an intermediary like the piggy is specifically addressed. The shortest possible definition, excerpted from the relevant act is:
From: someone
``(1) Bet or wager.--The term `bet or wager'--
``(A) means the staking or risking by any person of
something of value upon the outcome of a contest of
others, a sporting event, or a game subject to chance,
upon an agreement or understanding that the person or
another person will receive something of value in the
event of a certain outcome;
``(B) includes the purchase of a chance or
opportunity to win a lottery or other prize (which
opportunity to win is predominantly subject to chance);
``(C) includes any scheme of a type described in
section 3702 of title 28;
``(D) includes any instructions or information
pertaining to the establishment or movement of funds by
the bettor or customer in, to, or from an account with
the business of betting or wagering;
That Piggy seems to run afoul of section (D) but then again, I'm not a judge.

Please understand that I'd be the last person to narc out someone's attempt to circumvent the UIEGA (or any victimless crime for that matter). But I am interested in helping people understand which laws they might be breaking.
Joker Opus
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10-14-2007 22:22
Hi there!
The sub-gaming activities are hard to implement now-a-days. Since the gambling ban (Gambling was banned because it affilates with real life laws, due to the currency exchange) alot of clubs and gambling areas have closed down. However you can tred off of other people's ideas and make a gambling based system, without currency!
An idea that was recently proposed was the giving of PRIZES rather than money. These prizes being non-transferable. You could have a card table, or a slot machine, anything like a normal gambling facility, only instead of a coin jackpot, its a prize jackpot on differant scales (Smaller winnings = smaller prizes)

I hope I helped out!
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