Pay Parcel for Access Pass: Any Alternatives?
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 04:35
We have a restaurant that we want people to just pay to enter the parcel to get into. But I believe that the money paid gets automatically divided up between all of the people in the group that owns the land.
If this si true I belive our only option would be to make a group with only the parcel owners in it and deed the parcel to that group or share the wealth with our members.
Does anyone know of any other way to make sure only the owner gets the fees paid to eneter the parcel? I have seen pay-to-enter doors and pay teleporters. But people could just turn their camera and sit in the restaurant to work their way around those devices. Any other suggestions?
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Ciaran Laval
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05-14-2008 04:41
The money gets paid to all those who have that role ticked. If you're the only person who pays and receives group liabilities then only you will get the fee,
Alternatively you could manually take bookings and add people to the access parcel tab for their reservation time.
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Cortex Draper
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05-14-2008 04:50
From: Lias Leandros But people could just turn their camera and sit in the restaurant to work their way around those devices. Any other suggestions? You may be able to have a scripted device that adds them to the access list (for a time) when they pay.
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 04:54
From: Ciaran Laval The money gets paid to all those who have that role ticked. If you're the only person who pays and receives group liabilities then only you will get the fee, Alternatively you could manually take bookings and add people to the access parcel tab for their reservation time. This is good to know. I will test that later today. Thanks all who responded 
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Winter Ventura
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05-14-2008 05:47
One of the weird flukes, is that in a "new group".. Linden Lab has defined that the "everyone" role pays/received group payments. So 99% of all groups have this setting.
But it's very easy to remove that checkmark from all ranks except "Owner".
If you're planning to USE a group for land management, I highly suggest sitting down and spending an hour or two hand-crafting your rank permissions settings.
Oh and one other thing.... "group owned land" is different from "land *SET* to a group"... the former is required for many of the "more useful" land functions by group members, but the "latter" is still considered "owned by" one person.
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Ceera Murakami
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05-14-2008 06:44
To clarify what Winter said, make sure that the "Pay Liabilities" role is not checked for anyone other than the group owner and possibly any officers that you want to evenly split profits with. Then only they will get the proceeds from the "buy pass" access fees.
By default, the Pay Liabilities role IS checked in the "Everyone" role, because the Lindens were initially thinking that most group-owned land would be run like a hippie-style co-op, where every member split the profits evenly. Most people would not want that role to have that permission checked, because it means that any profits paid to the group, including sale of group owned land, get split evenly to those members.
FYI - The Lindens consider the "Buy Pass" feature to be deprecated, and they aren't really supporting it properly. When I reported that it was impossible to use both "Buy Pass" and "Age verification required" on the same parcel, they responded to the bug report as a "won't fix", claiming that so few people use the Buy Pass feature that they no longer support it.
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Amaranthim Talon
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05-14-2008 06:51
What would be the purpose of a Buy Pass? Why would you choose to pay to access a certain facility?
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Ceera Murakami
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05-14-2008 07:20
From: Amaranthim Talon What would be the purpose of a Buy Pass? Why would you choose to pay to access a certain facility? Why do you pay a cover charge in RL to attend a music concert, a play, or a movie? It costs money to create and run an entertainment venue that offers good programs. Buy Pass is one way a venue can defer that cost. Just placing a tip jar on stage doesn't usually cover the costs. Lots of clubs make it the responsibility of the DJ and dancers and other entertainers to collect their own pay via tip jars. A club that charges a cover charge can afford to pay these people a share of the pass proceeds, and could even split that evenly with them via group memberships.
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Amaranthim Talon
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05-14-2008 07:27
From: Ceera Murakami Why do you pay a cover charge in RL to attend a music concert, a play, or a movie? It costs money to create and run an entertainment venue that offers good programs. Buy Pass is one way a venue can defer that cost. Just placing a tip jar on stage doesn't usually cover the costs.
Lots of clubs make it the responsibility of the DJ and dancers and other entertainers to collect their own pay via tip jars. A club that charges a cover charge can afford to pay these people a share of the pass proceeds, and could even split that evenly with them via group memberships. Thanks- had not thought of that. I had just always seen the feature and had no idea what it would be used for.
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Mortus Allen
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05-14-2008 07:38
It should also be noted that role with the Liabilities permission also slit land costs such as being listed in search and should not be checked for VIP members as they are likely to leave emediately if even one L$ is taken without their direct consent.
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Chris Norse
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05-14-2008 07:44
The better scripted of the pay/use doors and teleporters have ejectors that remove non paying AV's.
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Davin Romano
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05-14-2008 07:46
From: Chris Norse The better scripted of the pay/use doors and teleporters have ejectors that remove non paying AV's. This is more what I need.. I have a jazz bar upstairs from my gallery, so I don't want people downstairs to have to pay to get in.. But the ones coming to the VIP lounge need a way to get in exclusively without others being able to sneak in. Or is this why I would hire security, to keep tabs on who's on the A list?
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 11:29
From: Ceera Murakami FYI - The Lindens consider the "Buy Pass" feature to be deprecated, and they aren't really supporting it properly. When I reported that it was impossible to use both "Buy Pass" and "Age verification required" on the same parcel, they responded to the bug report as a "won't fix", claiming that so few people use the Buy Pass feature that they no longer support it. Oh noes! Just when I decided to rely upon the Buy Pass feature. I wonder if it will dissappear in any updates soon (probably). Maybe I need to post a Jira to letthem knwo we still need it.
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 11:33
From: Davin Romano This is more what I need.. I have a jazz bar upstairs from my gallery, so I don't want people downstairs to have to pay to get in.. But the ones coming to the VIP lounge need a way to get in exclusively without others being able to sneak in. Or is this why I would hire security, to keep tabs on who's on the A list? You can have the door set to allow only group members or people on a list on the set up card to enter. BUT people can just camera their way into the room and sit down on a seat to bypass the door. The reason I want a buy pass is because this is a erotic restaurant and there will be some nudity. I do not want a Naughty Neva's atmosphere. Just people who are truly seeking the dining experience.
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Cristalle Karami
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05-14-2008 11:38
There are scripts out there that will eject non-group members off the property if they collide with/sit on an object. You might want something like that in your chairs. My friend Buckaroo Mu makes that for stage hoppers, and I know Bits & Bobs sells a similar third-party script for poseballs.
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Sling Trebuchet
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05-15-2008 05:35
From: Ceera Murakami ..... FYI - The Lindens consider the "Buy Pass" feature to be deprecated, and they aren't really supporting it properly. When I reported that it was impossible to use both "Buy Pass" and "Age verification required" on the same parcel, they responded to the bug report as a "won't fix", claiming that so few people use the Buy Pass feature that they no longer support it. Torley's Video Tutorial on land management suggests that "most people" use a scripted object rather than Buy Pass. Maybe that's an internal LL whisper influenced by the above?
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