"Own" the slave, but not the collar?

It seems you can "Own" a slave, but not the collar...

Is there a way to retain ownership of a collar, but still have the slave wear it effectively?

Afraid not. The only way someone else can wear your collar is via the wear function, to do that they need it in their inventory. When you transfer items they automatically belong to the other person, otherwise could buy one and give it all around.

Same as RL really, when you get someone to wear something of yours you have to hand it over and rely on them giving it back after if you don't wish them to keep it.

The only work-round of which I can think is to contact the maker and ask about commissioning a copy-transfer collar with you hard-coded as the primary owner. You can then give them, as no copy, no transfer, items to your submissives. Amethyst offers this facility for Gorean slavers, so the slavers can hand out as many collars as they like and their slaves can't then run off and give the collar to someone else. She charges 5K, I think ... take a look at http://slsensations.com/faq_collar.html for further details.

ETA Another workround based on this would of, of course, be to use some open-source scripts like Open Collar or full rights ones like Dari's, hard code yourself as owner (or ask a scriptor to do it for you) and install these in collars of your own design and give the results as no-transfer items to your submissives.

On the back of Innula's post:

I suppose it's possible to include something like llDie() in a script that the creator/giver might activate on a dedicated channel when they 'release' the slave. Maybe it would need to be tied to the avatar's name or UIDD to make sure all collars of that type don't die on rez. At any rate, the only reliable solution 'controllable' by the slave's owner would have to be scripted.

I think I might try something like that myself. It seems a simple enough proposition even for a scripting thicko like myself.

Can't llDie an attachment but you could have it check something external to see if it was still valid to be used and stop the scripts if not or similar.

You can't make attached objects die, though you can make them check things each time they're attached or rez , or you tp or whatever, and then unattach themselves back to the wearer's inventory if the condition isn't met.

I can think of fun stuff you could do on those lines, but you would face several problems. The first one that springs to mind is that there plenty of circumstances in which I need to reset my collar scripts other than because I want to run away from my Master (script's crashed.. the collar needs updating and the process resets or replaces scripts and so on) and you'd need to be able to distinguish those from a change of Dominant.

I was aware of the block on attached objects. It just occurred to me that the slave owner could order the slave to rez the object and formalise his/her release by executing the llDie() function and provided the collar is no copy of course. Otherwise forbidding attachment would be just as effective.

Perhaps that's too much like hard work. I've never had sufficient time or application to take a close look at the scene although it interests me. All the same it has given me ideas in other not dissimilar directions.

I'm not so sure, however, that transferability is the "ownership" with which the OP is most concerned. It could be that the idea is more about modifiability--that the slave owner should be the only one who can control the contents and "policy" behavior of the collar. That seems reasonably do-able using customized open source collar scripts--with the caveat that nobody could manually reset the scripts. One could include a simple script that resets and sets to running all other scripts, but when that fails a new copy would be the only recourse. (One other caveat: the collar couldn't be updated once given.)

I wouldn't think this would appeal to most collar-wearers, but then I would never have predicted that anybody would want to use RLV (least of all, the dom/mes!), so what do I know?

Well my question would be that and i don't put alot of stock in SL D/s cause the majority of the people that claim to know stuff are cluess with no real life experience

A collar is strickly a token you say you own the slave but not the collar that they give the collar to somebody else then honestly they weren't what they said in the start

Welcome to the wonderful world of online D/s, a world full of disinformation and pitfalls for anyone new to the lifestyle of BDSM. If this second life is the first place you have begun to learn about BDSM I strongly urge you to close out of sl now, and search out the truth to BDSM through web sites and book publications written by reputable writers that live in real life within the BDSM lifestyle.
only you can find the answers to as what BDSM means to you, do not ever let others dictate to you what is supposed to be, Even if you are a submissive, you do not need a collar to learn about the true nature of the lifestyle

Some suggested writings

"The Loving Dominant" by John Warren PHD

"Screw The Roses, Send Me The Thorns"
by Philp Miller and Molly Devon

"The Topping Book" by Dossie Easton and Catherine Liszt

"Sm 101: A Realistic Introduction" By Jay Wiseman

"my d/s bdsm s/m etc. is more real than your d/s bdsm s/m"

That, I think you will find, is all part of the fun for the majority of SL residents: it's a ... wait for it ... second ... count em ... second ... life.

I for one have quite enough RL that I need to take seriously.

Why are you channeling that guy from that show? And you are supposed to say "legendary" after "wait for it". Well, not always.

Most collars in SL are scripted so the option to state owner(s) is part of the package. In this way the "owner" is the only one that can make commands of the collar, other than the one wearing it.
Read the information card and figure out how this part of the scripting works, most are very easy to set.

As far as actually owning the collar and letting your sub/slave wear it, that in SL is impossible, as actually in RL as once the collar is given, and in possession, good luck on trying to state your ownership of it later.

SL is a safe place to learn and practice for the novice, but i do agree, at least try and learn what your doing, there's RL ppl on the keyboard you may be damaging due to your inexperience and or negligence.

Ya got me there, Lexxi. I watch very little television so I haven't a clue who that guy might be. For a start, I only have a couple of lacklustre satellite channels like e2 and cnbc-e. No beeb since I hit the sticks and even then it was only BBC Prime for eight years. No YouTube neither.

Maybe he's channeling me!?

I would also suggest this critical narrative:

http://www.rdrop.com/~wyvern/data/houseplants.html

You didn't!

Ohhh yes I did

grins

This one is pretty classic, too: http://books.adultfanfiction.net/story.php?no=544176437

Hey, Domitan . . .

Just a reminder that we are STILL watching you. And believe me, if we can't liberate your slave, we're sure as hell going to free the collar.

Yours sincerely,



Comandante 8 1/2
F.L.O.S.K.

(Front for the Liberation of Oppressed Slaves and Kajirae)

FREEDOM TO SLAVES!!!! NO KAJIRA LEFT BEHIND!!

Oh, you continentals are always late to the party.

Caledon freed slaves by covenant years ago. People can play whatever bedroom or relationship games they want between themselves, but it is in no way recognised by the estate.

Examples of some things that don't work:

~ "slaves" coming over to do their master's business (he can do his own biz)

~ "slaves" trying to say "talk to my master" ... heh, sorry, we are talking to _you_

~ "masters" thinking they can lay claim to anyone else's stuff (hah!)

~ expectation of our treatment of any individual as having less than full rights.


Even worse, if a supposed 'master' is behaving in what we might consider an abusive manner toward *anybody*, he just might find himself ejected for harassment, no matter how well he knows the victim.

So true. I react the same at my place, and must say that the mayority fully understand this and respect it.

I only ejected one couple that actually tried out their bdsm toys in one of my builds

How progressive.

How enlightened!!

We in FLOSK are most impressed, and will be establishing our new staging and training camp just outside Port Caledon immediately. We'll let you know if we need anything . . .

Yours sincerely,



Comandante 8 1/2
F.L.O.S.K.

FREEDOM TO SLAVES!!!! NO KAJIRA LEFT BEHIND!!

Oh, good idea! Revolutionaries based in Caledon planning an insurgency in Gor.

The First Caledon-Gor War is going to be an event to remember.

Awwwwwww!

I was waiting for the part where the plant logged out.
Or crashed - or was AFK making a cup of tea.
Bummer. What a crap story.



I attended a collaring ceremony once.
Deadly serious, with a ritual of question and answer.
But... the sub kept crashing.
The dominants remained po-faced, bless them.